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Re: Any value in this list ?

2001-07-31 05:40:02
 Therefore I still say: this is NOT Microsofts fault

so what you are saying is that it's the job of the network to not
deliver any content to you that you don't want to see, and for the
network to somehow figure that out in advance, so that you're never
inconvenienced?  no matter how much trash other network sites send 
your way?

(this list being a special case of "the network")

presumably the network should also accomodate everyone else's 
desires for filtering also, all at the same time?

and presumably you're also willing to tolerate the network making
incorrect decisions, say 10% of the time, and either inappropriately 
blocking or inappropriately admitting a message that you don't want to see?

and you're willing to accept the amount of complexity/state that must 
be absorbed by the network, and the corresponding loss of reliability
and scalability, and the increase in operational cost?

and you're willing to have the network shoulder this responsibility
no matter how poorly the software at the endpoints is written, and
no matter how vulnerable it is to attack by miscreants?  

seems to me that it's attitudes like that that produce products like 
the SMTP firewall that currently sits in front of odin.ietf.org
(and counteless other SMTP servers) which prevents SMTP from working 
properly.  separation of function, scalability, reliability, and 
proper operation be dammed - what's most important is that no garbage 
get through.

the end-to-end argument is completely discarded because we have no
way of forcing Microsoft to produce reliable software or to accept
responsibility for its negligence.

Keith

hmmm.   maybe the snail-mail service's mail sorters could automatically 
detect and discard junk mail.  and maybe the phone network could 
altomatically detect telemarketers and electrocute them...  
it does have a certain appeal to it.



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