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Re: [OF] ietf Re: in memoriam

2001-10-21 18:10:02
First some general questions....

Do you think that non-U.S. citizens should be able to use U.S. network
facilities
for their employment, without any visa, work-permit, etc. ?
What do you think ? Do you like having the U.S. freedom to express your
opinion?

Do you think that U.S. companies should continue to employ non-U.S. citizens
while laying off U.S. citizens ?
What do you think ? Do you like having the U.S. freedom to express your
opinion?

Do you think that non-U.S. citizens should be allowed to be freely
"imported"
by large multi-national companies, to freely work on the Internet with no
identification
that they are not U.S. citizens ?
What do you think ? Do you like having the U.S. freedom to express your
opinion?

Do you think that non-U.S. citizens should be allowed to freely roam around
in
cyberspace on U.S. networks from outside of the U.S. ? Why should the U.S.
Government focus on physical immigration and ignore cyber immigration ?
...or, Do you think that all of the borders of the U.S. (both physical and
cyber)
should be opened up and anyone will be allowed to roam around as they
please?
What do you think ? Do you like having the U.S. freedom to express your
opinion?

More specific to ICANN and the IETF....

What major standards has the IETF produced ?

What has ICANN accomplished ? major or minor...

Do you think that the U.S. Department of Commerce,under advice from ICANN,
should continue to support so-called ccTLDs in the legacy root name servers
with little or no knowledge of who the people are behind those TLDs ?

Do you think that the so-called ccTLDs should pay exactly the same as all
other
TLDs to be listed in the legacy root name servers ? An ASCII string is an
ASCII
string after all. By the way, A stands for American in ASCII.

What do you think ? Do you like having the U.S. freedom to express your
opinion?

Why does the IETF always focus on censorship ?

Why does ICANN censor U.S. companies from the legacy root name servers
operated largely under the direction of the U.S. Department of Commerce.

Will anyone mind if the President of the United States orders that ALL of
the
legacy root name servers be operated within the U.S. and that ONLY U.S.
companies be allowed to add TLDs to those servers ?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/10/print/20011016-12.html
Executive Order
Critical Infrastructure Protection in the Information Age


Jim Fleming
http://www.in-addr.info
3:219 INFO
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Dulaunoy" <adulau-ietf(_at_)conostix(_dot_)com>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: [OF] ietf Re: in memoriam


Dear,

Could the IETF mailing-list be moderated for off-topics comments ?

The board of trustee of the ISOC is international.
http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/board.shtml

The joining of the IETF is open and major standard are coming from the
IETF and are created by people all over the world.

Limiting network by boundaries is like limiting software by patents.

Your opinion is your opinion, but please stop to use IETF as a media.

Alex



On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Jim Fleming wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "TOMSON ERIC" <Eric(_dot_)Tomson(_at_)siemens(_dot_)atea(_dot_)be>

2.Stop advertising America ; the Internet has not been limited to
American
users for years now (*).

In my opinion, the reverse is the case. I believe that it is time
for non-U.S. citizens to be identified as such on America's Internet
and they should not be allowed to freely use America's Internet to
market their protocols and other developments without the proper
customs clearances and work visas. Americans have let their guard
down, they have been far too polite. It is time to close the network
borders and make them as secure as the physical borders.

The Next Generation Internet will be built in America, by Americans, for
Americans.
You are welcome to attempt to fly here and clear immigrations to see
what it
looks like.
You are also welcome to continue to play with the "toy" IPv4 technology.

The "toy" IPv4 Internet is a sewer.
IPv8 is designed to be a swamp to cover the sewer.
IPv16 is the "high-ground"....

...here are some links...

Jim Fleming
http://www.unir.com
Mars 128n 128e
http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif
http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif
http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html





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