Hi,
I agree, but probably is less than $15.
What I don't agree is that we don't have sponsors. That's not true, let's say
we don't want to accept sponsors ?
I offered myself for more than two years to host a meeting in Madrid and
another one in Barcelona. I've arranged for the sponsors, following the
instructions regarding hosting a meeting in the IETF site.
Finally the Secretariat staff visited the proposed venue in Madrid, a very nice
hotel 10 minutes from downtown with public transport, and around the same time
from the airport. Then confirmed that the venue is the best they have ever
seen, not a surprise as this is probably the last big hotel build in Europe
(less than 1.5 years ago), with very big meeting rooms and capacity for up to
10.000 people in meetings (enough for us).
The only complain was not being in downtown. Also something about the
restaurants nearby, but there are a few at walking distance, and the hotel has
enough meeting rooms and kitchens to add as many additional restaurants as
tastes we may have !
Now, I'm somehow (very) disappointed, because San Diego is very nice, yes, but
we aren't in downtown, we don't have food choices, and is VERY expensive
compared to Madrid. So what's going on ?
In Madrid, we have public transport every 10 minutes in the hotel door (yes the
door, not away from that), I also offered a free shuttle, and taxis are quite
cheap. There is also a free shuttle to the airport (it takes 12-15 minutes).
So it was a kind of excuse ?
By the way, the hotel has free IPv6 connectivity in every room, since we
installed it in May 2003 (first one in the world as I know).
I think the venue selection process is somehow obscure and not democratic. But
may be is my view only :-(((( ... I already mention this previously in this
list, but it seems we don't care. Just wondering if is my wrong perception ?
Regards,
Jordi
PS: And yes, we of course plan to provide a nice t-shirt !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hansen" <tony(_at_)att(_dot_)com>
To: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:00 PM
Subject: T-shirts, and some suggestions for future ietf meetings
I know, this isn't the most important issue in the world. But, I want to
say that I miss the IETF meeting T-shirts. As confirmed by Harald at
tonight's plenary, the T-shirts are normally paid for by the sponsor.
And since we don't have a sponsor here, there was no T-shirt.
The first time in recent years that we almost didn't have a sponsor was
in Adelaide (IETF 47, March 2000). We got down there, there were
problems with the original sponsor and lots of scrambling occurred.
Among the other things that occured was that there was no T-shirt handed
out when we registered. (Later on in the week, the people who stayed to
the end of the plenary were surprised with shirts, collared even. But
that doesn't the affect the rest of the story.)
So, what happened? In true IETF fashion, a bar BOF met, designed a
T-shirt, and made arrangements with a T-shirt shop a couple of blocks
from the convention center. Those people who wanted a T-shirt walked
over there, picked a T-shirt color, put in an order, paid their money,
and got a shirt a couple of days later. (It's definitely one of my most
favorite IETF shirts.) I don't know exactly how many people wound up
ordering their shirt this way, but I know the owner worked numerous
overtime hours to meet the demand.
A few salient points can be garnered from the above: many people are
willing to pay extra to get their IETF T-shirt, and there are people who
are willing to work on T-shirt designs.
In DC, IETF 61, we have a sponsor scheduled. So we'll likely have
T-shirts. Thank you Alcatel!
Here's a suggestion for IETF 61: modify the registration web page to let
people specify the size of the T-shirt they'd like to get. Usually, a
sponsor has to estimate the number of people who want each T-shirt size.
This leads to overbuys of some sizes and underbuys of other sizes. And
it leads to some people being dissatisfied with the sizes that they were
forced to receive.
Continuing this thought, here's a suggestion for the next IETF meeting
that doesn't have a sponsor, whether it's IETF 62 or some future
meeting: Take that part of the registration form that asks for T-shirt
size and add one more choice: none. Then charge the people who pick a
T-shirt an extra $15 to cover the cost of the shirt, and those that
don't want it won't pay for it.
Then beforehand, set up a mailing list for those interested in designing
the shirt, exchanging designs, and picking one out. I'm sure you'll get
enough takers to do it.
Tony Hansen
tony+ietf(_at_)maillennium(_dot_)att(_dot_)com
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