We could also simply tell everyone please take one pastry in the first
half of the breakfast hour or one cookie in the first half of the
"cookie time". I would hope (but maybe this is naive) that if people
realize that the food is not infinite they will leave some for their
peers. I think issueing tickets would be ridiculous.
Taking drinks for non-local consumption is another issue. I have to
admit, I like to take a bottle of water to drink in the meeting room.
Some hotels put water in the room. Some don't. We do need to have
drinking water but it doesn't have to be bottled in most places.
The cost of food should not be blown out of proportion. If one counts
airfare, hotel, food (lunch & dinner), and the value of time at the
meeting (don't forget the time preparing for the meeting), IETF
attendance is not cheap and the meeting fee is usually a minor part of
the total cost unless it is a local meeting.
We might try foregoing or limiting the cookies which would probably
increase the life expectancy of the attendees but
somehow I doubt this will be a popular suggestion. :-)
In Paris, we switched to a late dinner which was necessary in Paris
but we did this in Dallas. Was this a general decision that I missed?
I prefer dinner from 6 - 8 and a night session where the local customs
support this. This might also cut down the need for afternoon sugar
consumption.
Steve Silverman
-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencer(_at_)mcsr-labs(_dot_)org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:07 AM
To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: About cookies and refreshments cost and abuse
... warning, this thread involves "geeks trying to
understand the real
world" ...
My impression (from inside the hotel in Dallas) was that
enough people had
travel problems coming into Dallas, which included "travel problems
returning from dinner in the West End to the hotel on
Sunday", that even
knowing how many people had signed up for breakfast before
the deluge
started wouldn't have helped that much. There were people
who were "staying
at the conference hotel" who couldn't even get to the
conference hotel. I
suspect, without knowing, that the adjusted estimates were
lagging new
arrivals by about one break for most of Monday and Tuesday.
...
I thought the same thing about Jordi's suggestion initially
- "who would
collect the tickets?", but his explanation ("no one, just
the expectation
that people put down a ticket when they pick something up")
helped. If this
could be tried for the price of five or six spools of
"admit one" tickets at
a wholesale store, maybe it's worth doing.
.. but suggestions like this can now usefully go to
iad(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org, without
setting off cookie discussions on this list...
Thanks,
Spencer
Hi JORDI,
--On March 23, 2006 5:32:29 PM -0600 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:
So my suggestion to be reasonable and fair to all, will
be to provide
together with our registration pack, a given number of
refreshment
tickets, enough to cover the average needs.
The problem with tickets is who do you get to collect
them? Presumably
this would have to be hotel staff - at which point the
...
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