Hannes,
Two mostly rhetorical questions...
Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
As you might have noticed, the WebSSO Identity Management space is not
running out of organizations and groups. Someone could, for example, come up
with the question why ISOC did not join the MIT Kerberos Consortium (see
http://www.kerberos.org/), as Kerberos is a technology developed within the
IETF, or to support technologies like OpenID, OAuth, etc. that are closer to
the Internet deployment.
I am sure your team had a lot of conversations with the IAB on what
direction would be better for the Internet (with respect to the creation of
an identity layer) but I fear that many in the IETF community are at best
not informed about what you are doing and why you believe that this is
heading into the right direction.
I find it somewhat interesting that we would perceive the ISOC as being
responsible to the IETF in this regard. The IETF is not the only place
to do standards. Is the IETF the right place to do this work? How go are
we historically at public policy?
If ISOC wants to understand what "managed identity" will mean for end users
then maybe a discussion within the IETF would help to get a better
understanding as some of us have been working on this subject for a while.
One could even claim that the IETF is also a pretty open forum to discuss
these types of things, particularly when they have a high relevance for the
Internet. Did nobody come up with the idea about how the IETF could be more
actively involved in this space?
I give you the IETF 65 and 66 dix/wae bof/dicusssions... What were the
outcomes? Do the right people even come to the IETF?
Ciao
Hannes
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucy Lynch [mailto:llynch(_at_)civil-tongue(_dot_)net]
Sent: 01 March, 2009 19:30
To: Hannes Tschofenig
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Internet Society joins Liberty Alliance
Management Board: Why?
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
I would like to hear a bit more background about these
activities, see
https://www.projectliberty.org/news_events/press_releases/internet_soc
iety_j oins_liberty_alliance_management_board
Hannes -
<ISOC hat on>
As stated in the press release, ISOC has joined the the
Liberty Alliance Board. Our participation here is directly
related to the ISOC initiative on Trust and Identity (T/Id).
Our primary interest is not just the Liberty Alliance itself
but a proposed transition to a broader organization. This
effort is currently called either IDTBD or NewOrg in the
community discussions. The intent is to open participation to
new entrants and technologies and NewOrg will also help
represent emerging identity management work to end-users,
policymakers, enterprise adopters, and others.
ISOC has been actively reaching out to many of the current
identity technology communities as part of our effort to
understand what "managed identity" will mean for end users. We
also have some interest in how the frameworks and use cases
developing in user managed identity communities may overlap
and inform more traditional networked identity/identifier
problems. I believe that ISOC support for this move to an open
community lead forum will help bring this important work to a
broader audience and will encourage greater participation and
interoperability (high priorities for T/Id work:
http://www.isoc.org/isoc/mission/initiative/trust.shtml).
The transition to a "NewOrg" is still in process, and the founding
documents: by-laws, operating procedures, IPR considerations,
etc., were reviewed at the recent Liberty Alliance Plenary and
continue to progress.
(see: http://groups.google.com/group/idtbd)
- Lucy
Thanks!
Ciao
Hannes
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