Yes, I understand, this only applies to the Independent Submission stream.
We ask the IESG to review these documents, and that review is technical.
I don't think it is appropriate for an editor to make a judgment of whether
a technical note is, or is not appropriate to be included in a document. I
think the presumption should be that it is appropriate, and the authors have
a way to object. While I understand the role of the ISE is somewhat
different from the RFC Editor, I understand the role to be primarily
editorial and we are not choosing the ISE with regard to their ability to
make judgments like whether the IESG note is appropriate or not.
I think it would be okay to have the note go through an IETF consensus call.
Brian
On 8/31/09 11:25 AM, "John C Klensin" <john-ietf(_at_)jck(_dot_)com> wrote:
Brian,
Remember that 3932bis applies to the Independent Submission
stream, not to IETF documents of any flavor. These are, in
general, documents that have not been formally reviewed in the
IETF (although many of them have been extensively discussed).
They are not IETF Stream documents, about which, subject to
push-back from WGs and the community, the IESG can do pretty
much as it likes.
For these documents, there is no IETF Last Call. If the IESG
creates a note, that note reflects the individual judgments of
the ADs (and presumably IESG review and approval of those
judgments) and not the rough consensus of the IETF community.
Given that, while it may be a "technical concern" (or at least
reflective of a technical preference), it is a concern from (at
most) a group of individuals who happen to be on the IESG; there
is no requirement that it represent a technical concern from the
IETF community.
In that context, what you are really asking for is that the
preferences or concerns of that group of individuals --
preferences that they could not get the RFC Editor or document
authors to accept through normal review channels -- override the
decision-making process and approval of a non-IETF stream.
Especially since we expect documents in the Independent
Submission stream that would carefully criticize or provide
alternatives to IETF-approved approaches (see RFC 4846), giving
the IESG that much authority, especially without consulting the
IETF Community and determining consensus, does not seem sensible
or consistent to me. Indeed, it seems like a mechanism for
permitting only authorized dissent.
...
YMMD.
john
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