ietf
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-13 16:53:33
I think it is important for the IAOC to know when there are issues that they 
need to address, for example the issue with food appropriate to muslims that 
came up in Dublin. Personally, when I become aware of such issues, I send a 
note to iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org or iaoc-mtgs(_at_)isoc(_dot_)org, inform them 
of the issue, and ask them to address it.

What I find irritating with these discussions is the perennial "what idiot did 
this" tone. What comes across very strongly is that the people whom we trusted 
enough to place in positions of responsibility grew horns the instant they 
entered the role and are now doing their very best to make everyone's lives 
miserable. It becomes politically correct to respond to any response as 
"insensitive" while being completely insensitive to the people in question, who 
are (apart from AMS and the IAD) volunteers like the rest of us and put a fair 
bit of time and travel into getting things as close to "right" as they can get 
them. We don't, to my knowledge, have anyone of restrictive religious 
persuasions such as muslims or orthodox jews in the team that does the site 
visits; there are a number of women involved, however, so I would expect the 
team to be aware of women's issues.

If we want to have these discussions on the IETF list, I would strongly suggest 
that they be moderated for tone. People need to find a way to discuss an issue 
without making statements about a person or set of persons.

As to food issues, I think the hosts of recent meetings at least have done a 
pretty good job of pointing people to travel and food options in the host web 
sites. I find myself wondering, though, if the data should be organized in a 
different way. If we could get hosts to identify restaurants in the area that 
cater to muslim (no pork, not even in the kitchen), jewish (kosher rules), and 
vegetarian (which has multiple meanings), and identify grocery stores where 
people with medically-driven diets can find appropriate things, that might help.
_______________________________________________
Ietf mailing list
Ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf