Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

Oh, and *after* you book, it says

Additional Charges      
10.000 Percent service charge

So the charge is 10% higher than what's displayed. It would be nice if the full 
charge was more up front.  People checking for budget in advance may be unaware 
of this.

Tim

On 23 Aug 2011, at 13:22, Tim Chown wrote:

The room rate I see is 8500 TWD, which is $293 a night.   That is a Grand 
King room, for 2 people.

If you don't put G-23ET in the corporate/group box, it gets much worse!  I'm 
guessing the web link on the IETF site should read 
http://taipei.grand.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp?extCorporateId=G-23ET to 
simplify that? 

On the plus side, flying out from Europe the time zones mean I don't need to 
stay Saturday night, so that actually puts the total hotel cost down, since 
the stay is 5 nights not the usual 6 (remembering that you need to fly in/out 
including a Saturday night for the cheaper flight).

Tim

On 23 Aug 2011, at 12:57, Thomas Nadeau wrote:





On Aug 23, 2011, at 1:34 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf(_at_)jck(_dot_)com> 
wrote:



--On Monday, August 22, 2011 20:16 -0400 Ray Pelletier
<rpelletier(_at_)isoc(_dot_)org> wrote:

...
As for the rates, they are high.  Taiwan is expensive,
particularly given that the hotels know what our options are
when we book the TICC.  The Hyatt knew that foreign visitors
needed to use the Hyatt as headquarters and charged
accordingly.  Since the time of our site visit, 2 new hotels
have been constructed in the vicinity of the TICC (Le Meridien
and W), which may provide more competition for Hyatt in these
circumstances.  At the time we were working on this event,
there were no acceptable options.


Ray,

I know you want to find sponsors and go where the sponsors want
to go.  I accept the explanation that you negotiated as hard as
you could for both room rates and cancellation policies.  But I
have to wonder, especially in the light of Lixia's observation
about the US Govt rate (which, internationally, is often a
pretty good measure for the higher end of a reasonable rate in a
given city), whether there is a stopping rule.  We were told in
Quebec that you had given up on one Southeast Asian city because
rooms would have cost over USD 300 a night. I don't remember
hearing about a sponsor there.  What looks like USD 275 net is
not all that much less than USD 300, especially if the dollar
continues to sink.

So, if you had a sponsor for a future meeting at that other
location, would an estimated USD 300 be acceptable?  USD 350?

I obviously don't have all of the information available to me
that you and the IAOC do, but it seems to be there is always
another alternative.   If there are no local ones, that
alternative is usually described as "just say no and go
elsewhere".  What I'm trying to understand, mostly for the
future and with the understanding that it is presumably much too
late for Taipei and the several following meetings, is whether
you would ever consider that an option for a meeting for which
you have a sponsor if you hold it in a particular place or if
you and the IAOC really believe there is no alternative under
those circumstances.


I think we need to adopt a simple rule of thumb whereby we do not book 
venues where room rates of less than $200 USD are unavailable - sponsor or 
otherwise.

Tom


john


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