It's really annoying when a thread drifts to a wildly different topic
without somebody thinking to change the Subject header.
My comments on nominees would be much less frank if I knew they
would be published. In fact, I doubt if I would make any at all.
Here's a comment I sent in a number of years ago.
"Arrogant, sometimes rude, not interested in listening to other
people. I think <pronoun> would be an abysmal AD."
In public? I don't think so. The whole idea of honest feedback only
works when kept confidential.
As for voting, I understand Mary's frustration at the lack of
participation, but this really must not become a popularity
contest and certainly not be put at risk of capture by companies
or countries that send a lot of people to meetings. After all,
this thread started out about how to *not* need to go to meetings.
Regards
Brian
On 2011-10-27 16:00, Ross Callon wrote:
Mary;
Would you want the comments that are currently sent in privately to nomcom to
become public, or do you want the voters to make their choices without
hearing these comments?
Ross
From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Mary Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:52 PM
To: Peter Saint-Andre
Cc: John C Klensin; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Requirement to go to meetings
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Peter Saint-Andre
<stpeter(_at_)stpeter(_dot_)im<mailto:stpeter(_at_)stpeter(_dot_)im>> wrote:
On 10/26/11 1:47 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
On Oct 26, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
(e.g., the NomCom
schedule is defined in terms of three meetings a year).
no problem. We stop having the nomcom.
Sure, we just set up a (two-tier?) membership structure and have all the
members vote. Easy.
[MB] You don't need a membership structure to have voting - you just allow
anyone that has attended the requisite number of meetings per the Nomcom
process to vote - i.e., if you are qualified to be a voting member of the
Nomcom, you can vote. I personally believe that voting would be better
than the current model. As it is, a very small percentage of the
participants actually contribute to the process in the form of nominating or
providing feedback:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-barnes-nomcom-report-2009-00 (section 6.2)
So, making it easier to provide input in the form of a vote might actually
get more folks caring about who the leaders are. It would also save a
tremendous amount of work on the part of the folks that serve on the Nomcom.
[/MB]
[Also, ducking]
Mary.
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