On 5 Sep 2012, at 10:51, SM <sm(_at_)resistor(_dot_)net> wrote:
At 03:20 05-09-2012, Vinayak Hegde wrote:
It might be prudent to add other details of the DMCA order as well. I
have seen that other websites do that.
The IETF can provide the reason for a removal, e.g. a DMCA order, in the
tombstone. The "if possible" was left in as there could be a gag order
preventing the IETF from disclosing the facts about a removal.
I suspect that catching such things and capturing them in our procedures are
the reason why the IETF has legal counsel.
Creating a perpetual I-D archive for the sake of rfcdiff is not a good idea
as it goes against the notion of letting an I-D expire gracefully.
On that, I agree fully.
At 07:32 05-09-2012, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
IANAL either, but I can imagine valid non-DMCA reasons for the IESG wanting
to remove an expired I-D, or add a tombstone file / note in its place.
Yes. There has been a request to remove an I-D.
For example, I have seen examples where an IETFer (who'd been around the
block a few times, and so did know better) repeatedly has held up and cited
a long expired I-D claiming "Findings of the IETF show that ....", as part
of his/her argument in various contexts outside of the IETF.
The IETFer will now provide a long-lived URL for the expired I-D. :-)
That's what has happened so far. It would be preferable if such an URL either
wasn't on an IETF-sanctioned server, though.
If archives of expired I-Ds are to exist on an IETF server, I-Ds should be
clearly labeled as "These are *not* findings of the IETF, in fact, the IETF has
abandoned this effort, for whatever reason, whoever pointed you here isn't
keeping up" ;)
I am on the fence if some sort of "consensus for removal" among the ADs
should be expected or not, though - as Alessandro's text concerns *expired*
I-Ds. (It's trivial to render an *active* I-D *expired* by way of submitting
a new version...)
Yes. The author has the ability to correct a mistake. The new functionality
makes matters more difficult for authors. It can be argued that the I-D will
remain available on the Internet. There is nothing the IETF can do about
that. The IETF can make the matter easier for the author by not distributing
the I-D automatically after six months.
Yup.
Thomas
Regards,
-sm