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Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

2013-07-27 09:16:34
Hello Jary and all,

for your information, the Meetecho team is going to record five tutorials on 
Sunday:

http://www.ietf.org/meeting/87/remote-participation.html#meetecho

We have already provided a URL for those who want to remotely attend the IAOC 
Overview Session. If you think this might be of interest, we can allow remotes 
to have access to the other tutorials as well. Just let us know, so we can 
advertise access URLs on the mentioned web page. As usual, we can provide a 
real-time, synchronized view of the sessions, involving audio, video and 
presentation slides.

Cheers,

Simon


Il giorno 27/lug/2013, alle ore 08:17, Jari Arkko ha scritto:

I agree with John that audio and other things would be useful, but Brian is 
also correct that they do involve some work. Let us see what we can do on 
audio for IETF-88. Past recordings of the tutorials are available at 
http://www.ietf.org/edu/process-oriented-tutorials.html#newcomers.

The meeting materials page does now have a training section now - added a 
couple of hours ago, thanks Alexa! - and some of the materials are there. 
We're working on putting the rest there. 

(The newcomer's orientation file would already be there too but we're 
struggling with some bug in the system in the upload.) 

As for:

The consensus of the IETF is that:

"newcomers who attend Working Group meetings are encouraged to
 observe and absorb whatever material they can, but should not
 interfere with the ongoing process of the group"

It was also mentioned that:

"Working group meetings are not intended for the education of
individuals"

The first quote might discourage newcomers from participating.  I suggest 
discussing about the two quotes during the orientation as they could be 
misunderstood.

The second quote is valid in most cases, though we've had some sessions at 
times that were designed more as education than discussion. For instance, the 
IAB WCIT BOF last time.

But the first one is just plain wrong. Is this from RFC 3184? Many of the 
first time IETFers are here for a reason, are well-versed in the technology 
in question, and very much able to provide suggestions to the WG. Maybe RFC 
3184 is in the need of an update. (It also says other things that may not be 
up to date, like that locating mailing list archives is hard. I don¨t think 
it has been hard ever since tools.ietf.org/wg/foo came about.)

Thanks for the feedback!

Jari


Specific suggestions:

(i) Let's get these open Sunday sessions audiocast and/or
available over Meetecho or WebEx.  If that is impossible for
IETF 87, it should be a priority for IETF 88 and later.

Yes.

POSH has not published a session agenda.  However, the BoF is listed on the 
meeting agenda.  Is the BoF cancelled or will this be one of those willful 
violations of IETF Best Current Practices?

Regards,
-sm 



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