Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

        Even in context is rude. Even when doing it is because of practical
reasons and for the good use of the scarce meeting time, I think that is
one of the reasons why the IETF is so intimidating for newcomers.

Regards,
as

On 7/27/13 10:37 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > > It's not wrong.
> > >
> > > It's badly worded, possibly bordering on rudeness.  It certainly lacks
> > > context.  And it probably doesn't apply to BOFs.  But it's not wrong.
> It reads rudely when taken out of context. But try reading the whole
> paragraph in RFC 3184:
>
>       IETF participants who attend Working Group meetings read the
>       relevant Internet-Drafts, RFCs, and e-mail archives beforehand, in
>       order to familiarize themselves with the technology under
>       discussion.  This may represent a challenge for newcomers, as e-
>       mail archives can be difficult to locate and search, and it may
>       not be easy to trace the history of longstanding Working Group
>       debates.  With that in mind, newcomers who attend Working Group
>       meetings are encouraged to observe and absorb whatever material
>       they can, but should not interfere with the ongoing process of the
>       group.  Working Group meetings run on a very limited time
>       schedule, and are not intended for the education of individuals.
>       The work of the group will continue on the mailing list, and many
>       questions would be better expressed on the list in the months that
>       follow.
>
> Exactly. My experience back when I was a newcomer was that it was
> easy enough to ask beginner's questions after the meeting, and obviously
> wrong to do so during the session. This remains true years later, if I
> drop into a WG that I'm not familiar with.
>
>     Brian