On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Ted Lemon
<Ted(_dot_)Lemon(_at_)nominum(_dot_)com> wrote:
But the most rude behavior that ever occurs on IETF mailing lists is not
listening. Not trying to understand what the person who is speaking to
you has said. Not trying to figure out if what they said meaningfully
contradicts your own position, and not making a sincere effort to determine
if they might be correct in contradicting your position.
We have seen some incredible rudeness of this type in the recent spfbis
discussion, with various supposedly smart people in our community utterly
ignoring what their opponents are saying, and simply re-asserting their own
position in a variety of ways.
I would expect the sergeant-at-arms to be reining in that sort of rudeness
before reining in the sort of supposed overt rudeness that we are
discussing here. The endless litany of repeats of already-addressed
discussion points raised on the spfbis mailing list has been incredibly
harmful to discourse on the ietf mailing list.
IMHO that's not a job for the sergeant at arms. The SAA is responsible for
how things are said. The shepherd -- or supershepherd or whatever -- would
be responsible for the substance.