Ray,
To be sure I understand your note, I draw the following
conclusions and wonder if they are correct:
(1) The total number of rooms you expect to have contracted/
reserved, assuming that no more open up at the Intercontinental,
is 830 on the peak nights.
(2) Noting Ole's observation about Japanese hotels and the
implication that this may not be as much of an issue as it was
in, e.g., Maastricht, you, the IAOC, and the Secretariat are
going to guarantee high-quality (IETF-grade, fat pipe) Internet
access only for the Intercontinental and one, so far
unspecified, "overflow hotel". Assuming, for lack of any other
data, that each of the 4 contracted overflow hotels will make
the same number of rooms available, that means that circa 433
people will get that level of service, at least as far as any
IETF arrangements are concerned.
Is that correct, or at least roughly so?
If it is, would it be appropriate to suggest that, in the
interest of experiencing what the "ordinary" IETT participant
experiences, that no member of the IAOC, no one being paid (via
contract or otherwise) by the IETF, no member of the IESG or
IAB, and, in the interest of helping them evaluate how important
the issues are, no member of the Nomcom end up in any of those
433 or so rooms? Just a thought...
john
--On Monday, 17 August, 2015 16:57 -0400 Ray Pelletier
<rpelletier(_at_)isoc(_dot_)org> wrote:
All;
Here is where things stand.
1. "Headquarters Hotel"
Our Host, WIDE, is attempting to obtain more guest rooms in the
InterContinental Yokohama Grand.
The InterContinental Yokohama Grand has 475 standard rooms, but
would only allow us to book 300 rooms on the peak nights of
Monday and Tuesday. They said they had to accommodate their
existing corporate and airline contracts.
Wednesday and Thursdays were contracted for fewer rooms, 289
and 250. We contracted for the rooms using the usual Bell
Curve, which typically reflects that some folks depart on
Wednesday and more on Thursday. This was a mistake on our
part. if those rooms had been available we should have
contracted for the max we could get.
2. Overflow Hotels
We are working with the Japanese Travel Bureau to open the JTB
reservation system for the 4 contracted Overflow Hotels.
Together these hotels have 530 rooms on a peak night, for a
total of 3,550 room nights.
One of the 4 will also have the IETF network, courtesy of
WIDE. \
The JTB current system only permits reservations from 31
October to 7 November, not before or after. We are trying to
get that fixed. We think that reservations may be open
Tuesday, but might be Wednesday.
Our preference would have been to open the Overflow Hotels
together with the Headquarters Hotel. We did not to provide
those needing Visas more time to process their applications.
3. Alternative Hotels
There are a number of alternative hotels near the Pacifico
Yokohama (Meeting Venue). The IETF does not have a contract
with these hotels, nor is the IETF network available. This
information is provided as a convenience to meeting attendees.
The IETF makes no representation as to availability, prices,
cancellation practices, or Internet quality.
Map of possible alternative hotels:
https://www.google.com/maps/search/hotels+near+InterContinent
al+
Yokohama+Grand,+Yokohama,+Kanagawa+Prefecture,+Japan/%4035.
4604397,139.6350251,14z?hl=en
You may use your favorite search engines such as:
http://www.hotels.com/
http://www.trivago.com/
https://www.airbnb.com/
You should expect to see an update Tuesday.
Ray
On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:39 PM, manning <bmanning(_at_)karoshi(_dot_)com>
wrote:
Perhaps a data point / leverage.
The week -AFTER- the IETF, was the Yokohama International
Quilt week. Same venue, same hotel. It's been scheduled
for over a year now. Many groups/tours are SOLD OUT, in
planning to attend this event, plus side trips the week
before and after. This event is larger than the IETF.
…and it was recently canceled by the organizer…
Perhaps (maybe) a number of the reserved rooms are tied to
that event and they have not cleaned up after the effects of
the cancelation.
manning
bmanning(_at_)karoshi(_dot_)com
PO Box 6151
Playa del Rey, CA 90296
310.322.8102
On 17August2015Monday, at 10:18, Adam Roach
<adam(_at_)nostrum(_dot_)com> wrote:
On 8/17/15 11:48, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Speaking from personal experience, I have always found
Internet access in Japanese hotels to be quite excellent
even without these upgrades by our NOC team.
I suspect that the historically destroyed Internet
connections in many of the overflow hotels -- and the
Maastrict hotel for that matter -- are perfectly adequate
for a normal mix of guests. I find it difficult to believe
that you could accurately judge what a hotel's performance
would be without a load similar to what IETF attendees
typically bring with them.
To be clear, issues rise above those of simple bandwidth
saturation. Most commonly, I've seen things that I suspect
are DHCP pool exhaustion (with results ranging from issuing
duplicate addresses (!) to simply being unable to get an
address) and NAT port exhaustion (leading to the inability
to make or maintain connections). We bring a unique set of
stresses to an infrastructure that are way outside the
normal envelope.
/a