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Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings

2015-12-11 08:24:38

On Dec 11, 2015:5:52 AM, at 5:52 AM, Joel M. Halpern 
<jmh(_at_)joelhalpern(_dot_)com> wrote:

The NetMod style interim meetings are an example of the exclusionary problem 
I see with virtual interims.
a) for all practical purposes, decisions are being made at the interims, with 
some verification on the list.

        That is inaccurate; we make decisions but have brought them to the list 
for
verification (and documentation purposes).

b) that schedule of meetings is inherently exclusionary of a large range of 
people.  Yes, a consistent core of people getting together and working on a 
project consistently can make more progress.  But that is at the price of 
effectively excluding the alrger community.

        So are physical meetings.  The point of getting to the bottom of issues 
needs 
to be the driving factor here; not having meetings. The only way to know that 
people are
not able to attend meetings is for them to tell the co-chairs, and then make 
adjustments -
which I personally have done many times to accommodate participants.

        —Tom


We do allow and encourage design teams.  And design teams get together in 
whatever way and schedule they want.

However, a design team has to thoroughly justify there results to the working 
group, and get meaningful concurrence.  Merely confirm acceptance is not 
usually sufficient for design team outputs..

Yours,
Joel

On 12/11/15 4:59 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:
Hi Brian,
Hi,

I find these two statements somewhat inconsistent:

Extended sequences of virtual interim meetings should be the exception and 
not the norm
Recurring meetings (recommended if much debate is expected), may be 
scheduled together, with a single announcement.
I don't understand the inconsistency.
For example in NETMOD, we scheduled bi-weekly meetings until all open
issues on a specific document were addressed.
It doesn't mean that by default, we have recurrent meetings, and there
is no agenda, we cancel the call.



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