Re: Hilton BA is Booked already?

Thanks, Ray

Interesting insight with room nights. vs. rooms.

If i understand this correctly, then at peak there where likely only
250 - 95 = 155 rooms available at <= $209. That explains to me a lot more
how quickly the rooms went than what i had to assume from the IETF
page, 300 rooms at $209 for peak night.

I am sorry if you find my characterization of "dishonest"/"rigged" for
the prior IETF disclosure inappropriate, but thats how i perceive this.
How would you call it when someone offers tickets to a lottery claiming
some probability to win, and after being pressed he has to admit the
chances are just 50% of that ? 

Btw: I think it makes perfect sense to reserve ok. priced rooms for the heavily
involved folks at the IETF as you listed. For the volunteer part of that
population i don't care whether it's necessary or perk, it's highly deserved,
and for the ones drawing a paycheck from the activity, its easily understood 
how they may need to be on-call at randomn times (i've had to get folks late
in the evening for next-day preps in the past).

Cheers
    Toerless


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 06:57:27AM -0500, Ray Pelletier wrote:

Toerless,

On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Toerless Eckert <eckert(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> 
wrote:

Yeah, i am not paying $270 for a hotel room even if it's just on my 
employer.

I don't mind not getting a room in the Hilton. I experienced
the same rigged IETF room game in Yokohama and was very happy with my 
outside
room which was a lot cheaper and probaly a lot better than the IETF 
conference hotel.

I just would for a change once like to see honest communications from IETF.
How many rooms for $209 where blocked, how many rooms for $270 where 
blocked,
and how many where actually available to book at the time the email was 
sent out.


The block contracted was:

2,410 room nights were contracted at $209 (250 on peak).

450 room nights were contracted at $270 (50 on peak) all available
for delegates when reservations opened.

95 rooms (840 total rooms - 28% of the total block) were held out
for a sub-block at the $209 rate for NOC Vols, Verilan, AMS, IESG, 
IAB, IAOC

1,570 room nights with 155 on peak were available when reservations
opened at the $209 rate.  

At https://www.ietf.org/meeting/95/hotel.html the $209 and $270 room rates
were stated, however, the number of rooms associated with each was not 
stated.  We will do so in the future.


Don't think this is too much to ask for.


Nor is it too much to ask that one avoid characterizing our communications 
or information as dishonest, perhaps incomplete or inaccurate, but never 
dishonest.

Your apology is accepted.
Ray


Cheers
   Toerless

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 05:26:14PM +0100, Martin Vigoureux wrote:

the hotel currently indicates
$209 30-Mar to 03-Apr
$270 03-Apr to 04-Apr
no room on 04-Apr
$209 05-Apr to 10-Apr

-m

Le 16/12/2015 17:20, Toerless Eckert a écrit :

Nobody said 300 rooms at $209. Just "IETF rate", which on their
reservation page was $209 and $270

And i am sure iwas also not 300 bookable rooms by the time the mail was 
sent.

So, rigged game. IETF should do better.


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:18:11AM -0500, Brian Rosen wrote:

There are 300 rooms at the IETF rate.  They told us that in Yokohama, 
and 
it says that on the website.

They know it???s not enough, but it was all they could get.

Brian

On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Toerless Eckert 
<eckert(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:

The $270 rooms also show up as IETF rate and its still available only
with IETF booking code. So my question staands. How many rooms at $209.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Brian Rosen wrote:

We have been told, 300 rooms.  We know it???s not enough, but it???s 
all they could get.

Brian

On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Toerless Eckert 
<eckert(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:

How many rooms where blocked at the $209 rate ?

I think this is a rigged game. I bet a large percentage of rooms
will have been booked before the email by folks in the IETF that are
in the know.

Show us a log from the hotel when each of the booking was being made,
then we will know.

Cheers
 Toerless

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 03:30:10PM +0000, Tim Chown wrote:

I reserved a room fine, from the hotel info page on the ietf95 site 
not the link on the email (tho they may be the same)

300 rooms will fly off the shelf???

Tim

On 16 Dec 2015, at 15:22, Carsten Bormann <cabo(_at_)tzi(_dot_)org> 
wrote:

I just got a booking, but had to adjust the arrival/departure dates 
to
get that booking.

$ 250 per night (including taxes)... Duuh.


(At least I don't have to pay for a visa.)

Grüße, Carsten


Eric Burger wrote:

Really? Is that because there is an IETF block and we do not know 
the code, or are we SOL, nine minutes into registration?

For a paltry USD 450/night (including tax), we can get in on 
Tuesday April 5.

Really?


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