I had characterized the expedition to BA as an example of getting on the bus to
Abilene.
Yours Irrespectively,
John
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From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Dave Crocker
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:13 AM
To: Melinda Shore; Eliot Lear; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward
and request
for input
On 5/22/2016 2:04 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
Allow me to suggest that avoiding disadvantaging people who do not
actually participate might be somewhat lower priority than avoiding
disadvantaging those who do.
+10
The model which asserts that choosing meeting venues is a way to recruit
participants has
no objective basis -- and that's after 30 years of opportunity to demonstrate
otherwise. It
frankly serves to work against the basic goal of having most work done on
mailing lists, by
selling a cultural view that meetings are primary.
Anyone who wants to participate in the IETF already can. All they need is an
Internet
connection. It doesn't even have to be a good one, since IETF list mail only
consumes
extremely low bandwidth and is an asynchronous form of use.
F2F meetings permit /added/ efficiency for those who are /already/
participating.
Moving the venue is /not/ for permitting attendance by those who otherwise
can't attend,
but (is supposed to be) to share the pain among those who do attend.
The outreach goal cited for some venue choices is well-intentioned but
unfortunately
misguided and probably counter-productive to the IETF's main work.
On 5/23/2016 7:01 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
I only wish that was true. While we try to go back to venues that have
worked well, they are often not available on the dates when we want to
meet.
While that is sometimes the case, of course, it is not the primary reason we
keep seeking
new venues (independent of the occasional social outreach experiment.)
The primary reason we vary the cities so much is to try to get sponsors and
hosts.
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net