On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:32:57 -0700 Professional Software Engineering
<PSE-L(_at_)mail(_dot_)professional(_dot_)org> wrote:
At 13:04 2004-10-30 -0600, Google Kreme wrote:
and even so, 55MB is still insignificant,
Heh, you have no idea just how insignificant 55MB is for an
_entire_week_. A host sporting a few moderate listservs can churn at
least
half that on a regular basis EVERY DAY, and that's just for the system
maillog - not other logs, and certainly not application-specific logs.
A site I admin for pretty routinely has about 40MB/day maillogs, and can
spike at 100MB of logging easily enough. This is, JFTR, MTA-only
logging,
so SA crap.
Mail server logs here run from 75M to 130M daily. This is SMTP *only* (it's
a <sigh> Windows IMail server) -- all POP and other logging for the server
is turned off.
The spam filter logs (Declude JunkMail) run another 80M to 140M daily.
I perpetually archive *ALL* logs on ALL of my servers. Regular system
backups are a standard cycle, but the logs themselves are archived
separatley from (rather, in addition to) the backups. However, the logs
are rotated and compressed on a weekly basis (having to run through
multiple compressed archives is a bit of a pain when you frequently
review logs for a variety of events), and every couple of months or so,
they're archived off of the hosts entirely and purged. I find the
approach to be quite effective for my needs, and at the same time, it
doesn't consume an unacceptable amount of disk space.
We just shifted to a server with mirrored 250G SATA drives. I try to keep
60 days minimum. I just let them sit there until I don't like how much
space they're using then I wipe out enough to bring it back down.
I'm putting together another machine to start logging using a syslog daemon
again. That's what I was doing on the old system with smaller drives. Used
a syslogd on a separate computer to save logs to a dedicated (old) 10G
drive. It runs internal network bandwidth way up but relieves the beating
the mail server drives are already taking while processing that much mail.
Pricewatch is showing US$65 for 160GB EIDE, so close enough.
These of course are prices for consumer IDE hardware. Go with SCSI, and
the price goes up appreciably. Still, for what I paid for a mere half
gigabyte a few years back, I could - and I kid you not - easily buy a
couple TERABYTES of disk storage today. It's even scarier how much an
ST506 drive cost when they came out...
---
Sean B. Straw / Professional Software Engineering
I remember paying about $300 for a 40Meg MFM drive in the late 80's.
When I bought my first "Power Computer" it was a '386DX-40 with 1Meg of
RAM, a top of the line 256K video card (ATI), 150Meg ESDI hard drive and
UltraStor controller, 250Meg Colorado tape backup, 1.44M 3.5" floppy drive
(not that I'd spend the $2 per disk on those -- I just punched holes in
720K floppies), 1.2Meg 5.25" foppy drive, and a 2400bps modem.
All for the low price of $5280 -- cash.
Then another $1100 a few months later for a USR HST 14.4 modem. Connected
to other USR HST's at 14.4 -- everything else at 9600.
Then $1300 more a year later for a USED 650Meg ESDI drive.
Gerald
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