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RE: Publishing of SPF Records

2004-04-15 06:10:12
 

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From: owner-spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com 
[mailto:owner-spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com] On Behalf Of Lars 
Dybdahl
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:00 PM
To: spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com
Subject: SV: [spf-discuss] Publishing of SPF Records

I assume that you would like, that the SPF specification is 
extended with:

"If DNS lookup fails, try to look up http://domainname/spf.txt";

yes, something like that


In many cases, this will give a timeout, because 
http://domainname/ doesn't exist. 


OK, but with timeouts we can life. You can have even DNS timeouts.
SPF implementation have to deal anyway with timeouts. Otherwise
you could DOS easily a SPF enabled MTA.



If your mailserver receives 
a million smtp requests a day, you would have to make a 
million http lookups a day, which means that you might have 
to buy more servers to handle the load. 

Even that is a matter on how you implement it. DNS answers are cached
according to their TTL. But what stops you from caching http answers?


Also, you would get 
many complaints from people that you are hitting their 
webserver with a lot of requests, because somebody else is 
abusing their e-mail address. 

Huch, what about DNS Server? Are u not hitting them? There are even some
old implementations in the wild which u might bring down with a flood of 
requests.....

Basically you would get 
complaints because you implemented SPF. A denial of service 
attack on a webserver would also get easier: Write a virus 
where the sender address is always using the same domain 
name... This would make mailservers all over the world trash 
the webserver.


Same Problem could be valid for DNS as said above. Just web logs
are closer monitored usually by the admins than DNS logs.....



A lot of people that I know, responsible for big e-mail 
systems, would not put SPF filtering into their systems, if 
it contained http lookups on people's webservers.


http lookups would be optional. So every mail operator could choose himself
to enable them or not......

 This means 
that putting http into SPF slows down adoption, and we 
wouldn't like that, would we?


No, maybe it even would speed it up if EVERYBODY would be able to publish spf 
records on
every lowcost domain....


So basically, http is not going into SPF because we don't 
want it there for a billion reasons.


Who is we? Are u speaking for everyone here? Why dont we wait for other people
to give their personal comments?



Lars.

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: owner-spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com på vegne af Stefan 
Engelbert
Sendt: to 15-04-2004 14:25
Til: spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com
Emne: RE: [spf-discuss] Publishing of SPF Records
 
But why would it kill SPF? If I own domain abc.com I will be 
the only one who can create http://abc.com/spf.txt so how can 
somebody else provide SPF functionallity to my abc.com domain? 

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