First I want to mention that I view no-confidence motions (any) negatively
this is a distractive pass and we should be moving in the constructive
fashion instead.
My view is also similar about various technical solutons - I don't just
dismiss any of them all together, instead I look carefully of what is in
each proposal and see if I can separate the good part from the bad part
and if its possible to only offer the good part on its own (I don't
like political "pork" any more then technical one) - that is why you
saw my responsible-submitter draft (which is a subpart of original
marid-submitter but not longer being depending on PRA) and the rfc2822
header verification concept based on the same headers as PRA but does not
have the same "required" element in it (do only this or "else") and done
in a way that does not cause as many false-positives and not force us to
break existing standards.
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Frank Hellmann wrote:
YES,
I am trusting Meng 100% and really dont understand the hype here.
The "hype" has to do with that Meng is representing his own views without
regard for the views of those others who he originally called for to
support and build SPF. SPF was a work of others and a community effort
(in fact its all started that he did not think author of DMP was listening
to him and he thought he could do better job of creating something was
originally 99% DMP but is more open to new ideas being built into it).
Representing Meng as being author of SPF is not correct - its 99% based on
the concepts brought in by others and Meng was just managing it all being
put together into cohesive system (again with help of others), in fact he
pretty much said that himself when directly questioned on the issue but
otherwise he does not seem to object to being called "author of SPF".
The problem now is that we have person who is being seen as the only true
representetive of SPF by the world and he seem to have full control of SPF
too but his own views are slightly different then those others who made
so much effort into building SPF system and so views of those others do
not seem to be represented and sen in light of the world.
Now, there is nothing wrong with having your own opinion and presenging
to everyone and Meng has really big problem in that he can't easily do it
and not seen as being representative if SPF and speaking for SPF project.
I really have hard time imagining what I would do in his shoes when put
in such position - probably I would decide not to speak at all to reporters
but Meng is very much into marketing of SPF and does not want to loose
any opportunity.
The only real way out of this is to have SPF be able to represent itself
and allow Meng to represent his own views but at the same time be able to
point to views of the SPF community. Having different views on some points
then the rest does not mean Meng still can't be leader of SPF community,
he just would need to be carefull to control when he says he's giving his
own views or views of SPF.
So my view (shared by at least two dozen others on the list) is that we
really do need to work out better organization system that will first of
all make it easier to control what is going on now on the list and it
would make it possible for Meng to continue to present his own views and
not be in the same dual role he got himself in.
It looks like UN or "old Europe" (dont take me wrong - I am proud to
live in old Europe)
SPF community previously was more or less united on its goals and actions
and how its being done and so what we're seeing now is disagreement from
previous held common views.
But "Old Europe" i.e. European "Conferederation" (which some decided to
call a "Union" in the same marketing into the future way founders of United
States did) and UN have different problems. They are trying to bring
different political system to one table and mix it up and they have no
central leader either, which makes things even worth. The result is not
an unexpected a collision of and lots of political bickering - same way
it was in US in parliments of early 1800s with heavy differences between
South and North. You have to be very carefull when you have something like
this to be able to balance the different opinions so that none gets
perceived as being in total control, otherwise it will lead to breakup
and possibly even to war.
P.S. This will be my last post on this thread as I read it Seth considers
it to be closed too and it was bad thredd to start with anyway (see very
top of this post as to why).
--
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net