On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, johnp wrote:
Also I think James offered
openspf.org several times (in fact he did it day before you registered
openspf.com/net) so you can consider it confirmed.
There were strings attached to that offer - it is an offer of free use, but
not an offer to contribute the domain, and I remember some exchanges
regarding who would have control over content.
Those were long ago and I seem to remember at that time there were
"strings" attached to your offer as well. So see the latest thread I
have listed below, I did not see any "strings" there.
I will wait to hear from James himself.
Knowing that you and James don't exactly see eye-eye, I have some doubts
that you'd hear from him directly. Perhaps though he might consider
replying to Wayne's post.
In any case, these kind of personal disagreements is exactly why I asked
somebody from council to go through and confirm domain names privately
once entire list is done and I stand by this recommendation.
For when domains were offered/listed the following are I posts I could find
for last few months:
http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com/200506/0215.html
http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com/200506/0217.html
http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com/200506/0295.html
http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com/200506/0224.html
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/20206
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/20119
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/20074
(in the above thread mentioned are emailspf.com/.net/.org - add them
to your list)
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/18118
(in above thread you can see confirmed offer for using mail-spf.org/com
and for openspf.org)
Thank you for the links - I have already been through the mail-lists
searching for such references.
Searching in gosamer-threads seems easiest. I dont think you'll find
anything more then what I listed above unless you're willing to search
old archives which are no longer relevant. So I suggest going through
posts in above threads and if any domains are still missing from the
list adding them.
Could you also please also decide if you're going to be listing people
by their first name only (and starting with uppercase or not), by email
address, by full name or by first name & last name initial or some
combination but please stick to the same system for everyone.
I post them as I find them in the who-is.
Many of my domains don't typically even list my name in whois... For
some TLDs (like .bz) it maybe even absent in registry (unless you know
correct registrar and do lookup there).
There are also quite a number of "spf" related domains that may not
have anything to do with SPF or where their owner did not participate
in SPF or offer the domains (like senderpolicyframework.? for example).
So despite that I'm probably the biggest 'use whois' supporter you
find on this list, I think in this case it would be better if domains
listed with name of who offered them on this mail list and only
optionally whois information is made available as separate column.
My alphabetical ordering is by the domain name, not the person, so the
font case of the person is irrelevant.
I know its alphabetic order of domain names (where case is irrelevant).
But that does not have anything to do with what I said about you listing
name in orderly and common fashion with equal naming system for everyone.
And since there are in fact certain grammatic rules for using personal
names in text that address the case and situations when you use the name
as pointer to particular person as opposed to using the name in general
sense, I would suggest you follow those rules.
Either it is a name known to us,
If you want to make certain the name is known to those on the list, use
"pretty name" from email address or full email address if its absent
or full name as present in the email signature if its available.
or I have the domain name owner's details, if anyone is too lazy to do
their own who-is lookup.
Whois may not necessarily even list domain owner (see my comments above)
But I would probably have
done it anyway, since no-one else can be bothered to do anything except
criticise when things are not done "their" way.
There are also people who seem to dislike anyone offering constructive
criticism and immediately get angry about that its even being done.
Also for future when list is ready I think SPF council will need to
organize an election because this issue is too important to be decided
by them along. I strongly recommend approval voting system where each
person can choose all the domains he/she LIKES and at the end 1-3
that are "liked" the most (plus any .TLD variations of those) would be
considered official ones after final council's approval.
Having run an election for the spf council, I make no comment about voting
for a domain name.
If I were to run an election, it would be conflict of interest for me
to decide voting system and its procedures (although in some so-called
democratic countries that is exactly what happens), luckily I don't
anticipate that and that is why I made my view known about voting system.
Also while we're on the topic, I think it would be better if voting
domains are organized into TLD groups, i.e you don't vote individually
for mail-spf.com and mail-spf.net but vote for entire group of common
TLDs. And then separate question should ask on what TLD is preferred
either for each group or as a general question.
--
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net