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Re: way out of the DNS problems? (former Re: delegation mechanism, Re: Trees have one root)

2002-08-02 13:03:24

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 Valdis(_dot_)Kletnieks(_at_)vt(_dot_)edu wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:10:21 EDT, Joe Baptista said:

or 3) joe clueless gets an education and switches to an appropriate route.

Now, much as I would love to be able to advocate a "network driver's license",
it's pretty unreasonable to expect that a person learn about the ORSC/ICANN
battle to understand why he can't reach http://www.walmart.com

well the orsc does see walmart ... even when .com went off air, we were
surfing.

Or are you also advocating that they understand BGP so they know what happens
to their packets?

Or did you want them to be able to Just Hit Enter and actually have it WORK?

no need for all of that. just follow instructions.  if they can bake
from a recepie book they have the power to master and control access
to namespace. which see

http://www.pacroot/updatedns.shtml

or if your on the limited usg namespace - try

http://www.pacificroot.com/updatedns.shtml

them.  as i have said - and as it has been cleared shown - control of the
"." is in the hands of joe clueless internet users - so in the end they
hold the power irrespective of law.

It's never been "shown" to my knowledge.  Keep in mind that a large part of
the user community thinks the root is called .AOL

% dig . ns | grep 'IN       A' | awk '{print "root@"$1}'
root(_at_)A(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)H(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)C(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)G(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)F(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)B(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)J(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)K(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)L(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)M(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)I(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)E(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)
root(_at_)D(_dot_)ROOT-SERVERS(_dot_)NET(_dot_)

how novel ... i remember that one from 5 years ago.  hows it been going
over there ... i use this one ...

.                       172800  IN      NS      GROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      MROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      OROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      SROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      TROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      AROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      BROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      CROOT.PACROOT.
.                       172800  IN      NS      DROOT.PACROOT.

and i also know this one works

.                       518400  IN      NS      NY.ALTERNIC.ORG.
.                       518400  IN      NS      NY.KASHPUREFF.ORG.
.                       518400  IN      NS      UK.DNSPROS.NET.
.                       518400  IN      NS      GA.AKULA.COM.
.                       518400  IN      NS      NY.DNSPROS.NET.

we also have born

.                       86400   IN      NS      b.root.tld-nic.net.
.                       86400   IN      NS      a.root.tld-nic.net.

lets not forget some of icanns friends at idns

.                       518400  IN      NS      C.I-DNS.NET.
.                       518400  IN      NS      D.I-DNS.NET.
.                       518400  IN      NS      A.I-DNS.NET.
.                       518400  IN      NS      B.I-DNS.NET.

and who can leave out new.net - which claims 20% resolution of the planet

.                       518400  IN      NS      NS3.NEWDOTNET.NET.
.                       518400  IN      NS      NS1.NEWDOTNET.NET.
.                       518400  IN      NS      NS2.NEWDOTNET.NET.

the anarchist at opennic are still there

.                       518400  IN      NS      ns2.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns3.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns4.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns6.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns7.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns8.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns0.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns1.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns10.opennic.glue.
.                       518400  IN      NS      ns11.opennic.glue.

and the orsc has been mentioned on the list many times.

.                       172800  IN      NS      G.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      H.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      I.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      J.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      A.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      B.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      C.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      E.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.
.                       172800  IN      NS      F.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC.

i'm sure i left out alot more.

That's who *REALLY* controls '.'.  I doubt any of them qualify as "Joe 
Clueless"

what we have clarified here is who does not control '.' - no monopoly
exists on '.' - and that in the end joe clueless has the power to control
namespace.

and we should start respecting that and get our stories straight so
that when joe clueless clues in were ready.  we don't want to end up
looking foolish - do we?

regards
joe baptista



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