Doesn't the fact that there's not enough demand for this product
to make it available suggest anything to you?
does the fact that there was enough demand for the product that it
eventually became available suggest anything to you?
Yeah, that there's a subset who cares. They got it. The market is
working.
the market is dysfunctional. it doesn't always fail to deliver what is
needed, but it often does.
true, customers don't care about e2e. they do, however, care about
running apps that won't work when e2e is broken.
Apparently not, or they wold switch.
they would switch if they had alternatives available. but people like
you keep claiming that alternatives aren't needed because the market has
spoken.
So, on the one hand, we have the actual behavior of millions of
people.
no, we have your biased interpretation of that behavior, as observed
from a great distance, through a dirty lens.
Huh? Are you claiming that people don't
(1) Buy NATs
(2) Use them?
nope. I'm claiming that your explanation of why they don't do something
else is unsupportable.
I'm not sure why you're accusing me of bias, Keith. Frankly, I hate
NAT. It makes my life as a protocol designer miserable and I don't use
it myself. I just don't fool myself that my preferences represent
those of people at large.
nor do I fool myself about such things. but I'm capable of seeing how
much NAT impairs the ability of the Internet to support apps, and some
of those apps seem attractive enough that I believe people would eagerly
adopt them - if NATs weren't preventing them from achieving critical
mass.
Keith