--On Wednesday, August 24, 2011 21:56 -0500 Pete Resnick
<presnick(_at_)qualcomm(_dot_)com> wrote:
...
Just a reminder, the community VOTED for Quebec City.
Backing up Dave here, the community repeatedly VOTES or, in
post-meeting surveys, INDICATES (VOTES) for the sort of
venues we have been booking.
OK, what follows is based on precisely one data point (i.e.,
me), but I hope you will see that it is therefore as worthy as
these two claims about the community having "voted for Quebec
City".
I pondered long and hard when I answered that stupid survey
question. Because what it asked me was, "Which would you
prefer, Vancouver, Quebec, or <I think one other North
American place I can't remember>?" And I, stupidly apparently,
answered Quebec. And it was stupid because I didn't think you
were actually going to count as you apparently did. You see, I
answered Quebec because (a) I like Quebec as cities go; (b) it
happens to be a shorter physical trip for me than Vancouver;
and (c) I happen to work for one of those companies who pays
my bills, so I really don't care what the relative prices of
hotels are.
But you never asked the question that I would have answered
quite differently: "Which place is the most logical for the
IETF to meet?" Because had you asked that, I surely would have
chosen Vancouver over Quebec. It's a crapload easier for most
folks to get to, they have facilities that have worked well
for us in the past, and *I don't object to going to Vancouver
over Quebec*. You see, if you start asking for objections as
opposed to desires, I think you'll get much different answers.
You'd certainly hear about objections to certain travel
itineraries. You certainly hear objections to total cost
profiles. Because the community is now weighted in favor of
folks with corporate travel budgets, I suspect the "desire"
answers are going to be much different than the "objections"
answers.
...
FWIW, and a second data point: I tried to point out this
particular difficulty in the "vote" process several times, both
when the poll was being conducted and more recently. While our
reasons are different, my response to the question asked and my
likely responses had the obvious other question(s) been asked,
would have been identical to yours.
But I don't think you are justified in
claiming that without some additional data. And either way, I
don't think "Where do you want to meet?" is the right question
to ask.
Exactly.
There are a host of reasons that voting is a stupid decision
making process. I thought we knew that.
We used to, once upon a time.
best,
john
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