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Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-04-23 05:00:33
Brian,

On 23/04/12 14:59, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
On 2012-04-23 06:12, Tobias Gondrom wrote:
Hi Russ,

thank you for the information.
In this case, my preference would be not to publish the blue sheets with
the proceedings.

Reasoning:
The blue sheet data can at some point be used to determine movement
profiles of individual attendees at the meeting to a finer granularity
than today and therefore can be an issue for privacy (even though I
recognize that this is a public meeting). The fact that we "may reduce"
the amount of subpoenas is a viable reason, still personal data should
be handled as conservative as possible. Without a significant and
measurable economic advantage by the publication, we should rather not
publish this data with the proceedings.
Transparency with respect to IPR disclosures, or missing IPR disclosures,
seems to me more important than the privacy issue. I take Randy's point
that the information can be trawled for unwanted purposes, but IETF
participation always carries that risk.

Actually this is not a question of what is more important:
I agree that we should have the blue sheets for the IPR reasons (and also so the secretariat can determine room sizes based on previous numbers). All this is already achieved as it is today without always publishing the blue sheets to public. So my proposal is to keep blue sheets (be it in paper or electronic document form) access limited to the IETF secretariat for administrative purposes (meeting room size) and make them available in case of subpoenas on a per request basis. This will be a balanced solution to both, our intended use cases and the privacy of the attendees.

Best regards, Tobias



Tim raised a valid point: more people might decline to sign. We already
have some of that, and I don't have a socially acceptable solution
to that.

Actually we already systematically break our rules in RFC 2418 (BCP 25):
    All working group sessions (including those held outside of the IETF
    meetings) shall be reported by making minutes available.  These
    minutes should include the agenda for the session, an account of the
    discussion including any decisions made, and a list of attendees.
It's only a "should" but when did you last see WG minutes with a list
of attendees? In the old days of hard copy proceedings, I seem to
remember the blue sheets being included sometimes as the lazy way
of satisfying this rule.

     Brian