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Re: Vacation locations (was: Re: [Recentattendees] Were You Planning a Vacation Around IETF91 Trip?)

2014-08-22 14:16:54


On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, John C Klensin wrote:

Ray, 

I'm confident that the meeting committee isn't choosing locations 
based on where its members would like to vacation and hope that 
confidence is justified.  As others have commented, a Waikiki Beach 
location fairly screams "boggle" to corporate travel departments who 
are sensitive to such things, that (by reputations and in my 
experience from several years ago) it is an expensive area to do 
much of anything, and that Honolulu is an expensive place to get to 
for many of us who attend IETF without institutional sponsorship.  
Given that, I find the idea that you and/or the IAOC would include a 
discussion of packaging that IETF meeting with vacation packages 
insensitive and troubling.

Perhaps no one actually cares.  But, if any corporate or 
organizational travel departments get access to your note and 
respond, e.g., "we thought this was a boggle, you said it wasn't, 
this proves that the IETF gives significant consideration to 
vacation opportunities in selecting locations and negotiating 
contracts" and pushes back on attendance, it may be time for the 
IAOC to carefully (and transparently) review how selections are made 
and who is making them.

    john
 


John,

Let me suggest a different perspective: The IETF has in recent times 
tried hard to become more "inclusive" and friendlier to those who 
participate (ref: the "diversity" discussion) and their partners and 
families. We have a companion program now, for example. It has been
suggested that we help coordinate childcare, formally or informally,
too.

Given the amount of time each active IETFer spends away from home,
is it really that unreasonable for the IAOC to mention some 
"opportunities" in those rather rare instances when we actually do
end up in a clearly identified vacation destination?

I am also fairly certain that the offer Ray mentioned is just 
something the Hilton Group added as a bonus and not something he 
fought long an hard for :-)

And just for the record: Finding suitable venues for a group as large
as the IETF with its long list of requirements is NOT an easy task.

Ole

IAOC Meetings Committee Chair


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