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Re: put the paypal donation button in every rfc?
2014-10-02 15:57:13
As someone participating in the IETF as self-funded, while I don't
necessarily like increase, the $50 increase is small compared to the
cost to fly to and stay in Hawaii (personally I could go to Minneapolis
3 times a year). The registration is just one small part of the actual
expense of attending.
I completely disagree that the increase would make it "not easy for
small companies to join the meeting" - as I said travel costs easily
outweigh the registration fee. What would make it more difficult for a
small company to participate is to charge yearly membership fees on top
of cost to attend the meeting as many other organizations do.
The IETF secretariat appears to have worked hard to hold down the cost
of the meetings and the IAOC has been experimenting with things like
Bits&Bites. We could eliminate big cookies and sodas and bottled water
and just have cups and water dispensers and BYOS (Bring Your Own Snack)
and limit everyone to 1 beer or wine at BnB so that more of the
sponsor's money went to fund the meeting. Maybe then we could eliminate
or reduce the increase.
What are you willing to give up at the meeting to save money. Costs go
up (it is a fact of life) and the money needs to come from somewhere.
Geoff
On 10/02/2014 08:04 AM, Jiankang Yao wrote:
I totally agree with Avri's point.
IETF claims that IETF trys to avoid his STD activity to be affected by
big comapanies.
With the increasing of registration fee year by year (many years ago,
it is 550 usd), only IETFers supported by big company can easily
join the meeting. The IETFers who are self-funded or funded by small
comany will not easily join the meeting.
For big company, the registration fee whether it is 1000 usd or 700
usd is a small money, but it is a "big" money for individuals or small
companies.
so if the registration fee is increased every few years, is it
possible that in some days only IETFers supported by big company or
"rich" IETFers can
join the face-2-face meeting, other "poor" people can only join it
remotely?
does it mean that the future IETF STD activity has to be affected by
big comanies seriously?
I think that we need to find other finance resource to support IETF's
activity.
For example, put the paypal donation button in every rfc. everyone
after reading the rfc can choose to donate some money to IETF's account.
I think that we might learn some wikipedia's donation mechanism.
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Jiankang Yao
*From:* Avri Doria <mailto:avri(_at_)acm(_dot_)org>
*Date:* 2014-10-02 11:50
*To:* ietf <mailto:ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
*Subject:* Re: IETF registration fee increase from 2015
Hi,
Ouch!
Doesn't this move the IETF a bit further along the scale of meetings
that can only be afforded by corporates and rich people.
At some point, the openness of a task force, or other organizational
entity, depends on its cost.
Isn't the Internet Society able to adequately support the IETF? I
thought that was one of its primary missions.
Personally I think fees should go down and not up.
avri
On 01-Oct-14 10:43, IETF Chair wrote:
>
> In preparing the final budget for 2015 and drafts for 2016 and beyond,
> we face continuing rising meeting and other costs and no corresponding
> increase in meeting registration fees. In fact, the meeting
> registration fee has not changed in 4 years.
>
> Therefore, the IAOC is proposing to raise the meeting registration fee
> by $50 per meeting starting with the March meeting in Dallas as
> follows:
>
> Early Bird Fee $650 to $700, or 8%
> Late Fee $800 to $850
> Day Passes $350 to $400
> Full time Students $150 - $175
>
> More details below, but we seek community feedback before doing this.
>
> The cause for the increase is a trend in rising costs. IETF costs relate to the
> meetings, support services (secretariat, IT), RFC Editor, and various other
> items such as tool development. IETF is funded through the meeting fees, as
> well as significant contributions through sponsors and ISOC.
>
> For the last 4 years, 2011 - 2014, the Registration Fee has been unchanged
> at $650, and for the period 2008 through 2010 the Registration Fee was $635.
>
> Over the period 2007 through 2014 the Registration Fee increased from $600
> to $650, 8.3% over the eight years. During that time Expenses, including
> meetings, RFC Editor, Secretariat, IASA, and others, increased 32%. In 2015
> Expenses will increase 6% over the 2014 forecast.
>
> As a percentage contribution to the budget, registration revenue has declined
> from 51% in 2007 to 41% in 2014. Without a registration fee increase in
> 2015, that would drop to 36% of the budget. Even with the fee increase of
> $50 in 2015, it becomes 39%.
>
> Since the implementation of IASA in 2005, the IAOC has sought to provide
> support services of high quality and value through a 搑
egularization?of
> contractual relationship with our vendors in all the above categories. As you
> know, we submit statements of work to the community for review and do
> competitive Requests for Proposals. Our services continue to change, and in
> some cases expand, such as increasing the number of editors to handle the
> roughly 340 RFCs per year, outsourcing the NOC, and remote participation
> services.
>
> The suggested registration fee increase is sufficient to re-balance the budget
> for 2015. Unfortunately, the cost of hotel facilities and other services continues
> to grow slowly. Without further actions, additional increases may be necessary,
> and we project a $20 increase for 2016. The IAOC has taken on a task to
> determine whether we can reduce and/or prioritize our costs so that the trend
> can be minimized. No decisions have been taken about meeting fees beyond
> 2015, and they will depend on the success of the IAOC in its task.
>
> The draft budget, registration fee history, expense history and major expense
> trends can be found here: <https://iaoc.ietf.org/2015-budget.html>.
>
> Thanks for your consideration of this and your feedback. The next IAOC meeting
> is October 9th, and if possible, we would prefer to receive feedback by then
>
> Jari Arkko, IETF Chair
> Chris Griffiths, IAOC Chair
>
>
>
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