Re: China

Jordi

San Diego has changed.

There is a Convention Center downtown surrounded by hotels.

We would not have to be down near the marina and isolated.

Ray
> On Apr 9, 2016, at 3:05 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
> <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:
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> However San Diego venue is not downtown, which seems it was the main excuse 
> to avoid having it in Madrid, despite the public connections (several bus 
> lines and cheap taxi) between the Madrid venue and downtown is by far much 
> better than San Diego.
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> Regards,
> Jordi
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> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Ray Pelletier 
> <rpelletier(_at_)isoc(_dot_)org>
> Responder a: <rpelletier(_at_)isoc(_dot_)org>
> Fecha: viernes, 8 de abril de 2016, 17:50
> Para: Tim Chown <tjc(_at_)ecs(_dot_)soton(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk>
> CC: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf(_at_)sandelman(_dot_)ca>, 
> "ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org Discussion" <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> Asunto: Re: China
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> > Tim,
> >
> > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Tim Chown 
> > > <tjc(_at_)ecs(_dot_)soton(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 8 Apr 2016, at 16:14, Scott Bradner <sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com> wrote:
> > > > some on the IAOC wanted to go back to SD for IETF 100 but the facilities 
> > > > were not available 
> > > > at the right time
> > > Ah, I was expecting the plenary drumroll to reveal just this - IETF100 at 
> > > San Diego. 
> > >
> > > A shame it couldn't happen, but perhaps an indicator we do need to keep 
> > > planning 3-4 years out.
> > >
> > > And for the right venue, we should be able to slide the dates forwards/back 
> > > a week or two. 
> > We aggressively pursued venues in San Diego, including the possibly of 
> > shifting dates before 
> > and after the scheduled calendar dates.  The rule is we don’t change those 
> > dates, but there
> > was a willingness to consider that for IETF 100.  
> >
> > San Diego is one of the most popular venues in the US, so it turned out that 
> > around our dates 
> > there were already city-wide events that made it impossible to secure a 
> > venue and necessary 
> > overflow hotels.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Michael Richardson 
> > > > > <mcr+ietf(_at_)sandelman(_dot_)ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen(_at_)me(_dot_)com> wrote:
> > > > > > I am sorry to hear that. Our "open and inclusive process" comprises
> > > > > > many participants from China who have traditionally faced harsh and
> > > > > > unpredictable visa problems in North America. In fairness to them, we
> > > > > > held that meeting in Beijing. Note that we did so following an
> > > > > > extensive discussion on the IETF mailing list and after negotiating
> > > > > > the removal of a rather ominous hotel clause, as well as an unfiltered
> > > > > > network in the meeting venue.
> > > > > Yes, and we did this openly, and I don't feel we did the same thing here.
> > > > > And there were still surprises, I'm told.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was very surprised at the announcement for 100.
> > > > > I kinda thought we should go back to San Diego as for IETF 1.
> > > > > (well. Maybe IETF101 should be same as IETF 1... maybe IETF 100 should be
> > > > > same as IETF 0, and be entirely virtual...)
> > > > >
> > > > > (I didn't go because I generally have funds for two IETFs a year,
> > > > > and given the hassle, and my concerns about what I would eat, it was 
> > > > > simpler
> > > > > to skip.  I skipped BA for a combination of economic, but primarily 
> > > > > family reasons)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF(_at_)sandelman(_dot_)ca>, Sandelman Software 
> > > > > Works
> > > > > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-