Hi Brian,
I was considering the EU “borders” to outside-EU, not internal among EU
countries.
When I come back from US, Latin America, Africa, AP, to the EU, I feel much
safer than when I go to US.
When I travel to *ANY* region or country in the world, except US, I feel very
safe.
And is not just how I feel, but how I see people coming to EU feels relatively
safe (of course unless they aren’t trying to bypass immigration laws).
I feel each time less and less safe going to US and I see people from other
regions outside EU, even people from Canada, feeling unsafe as well.
It is a matter of facts and stats, despite whatever laws say, despite what are
the human rights, privacy rights, etc., definitively, US reputation for any
non-US citizen is going darker and darker.
I need to see if I still feel safe when traveling to UK next time … after
Brexit gets completed.
Regards,
Jordi
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De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Brian E Carpenter
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Organización: University of Auckland
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Fecha: lunes, 3 de abril de 2017, 23:51
Para: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
Jordi,
It won't happen when travelling between two "Schengen" countries, I suppose.
But when you enter or leave the Schengen zone, you go through an immigration
checkpoint.
That's a more important distinction than EU/non-EU in this particular case.
Brian
On 04/04/2017 05:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> I think the “border” line between what is being done in EU and US is that
in EU this is only done under a terrorism classification ?
>
> I can ask about this to a Spanish State Lawyer that I will be able to
talk at the end of the week …
>
> I knew about the UK case, but I no longer consider UK part of the EU,
never has been “totally”, and clearly it should be considered also when we plan
new meetings.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
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> De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Christian
Huitema <huitema(_at_)huitema(_dot_)net>
> Responder a: <huitema(_at_)huitema(_dot_)net>
> Fecha: lunes, 3 de abril de 2017, 19:32
> Para: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> Asunto: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
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> On 4/3/2017 9:39 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> > I’m not convinced (despite laws may say it), if computer
inspection, even “temporal” confiscation, is being used in EU. At least I never
heard about that, and even less in my own country, though I may be missing
cases in other EU countries.
> You are indeed missing something.
>
> Here is one pretty famous case, happened in Heathrow: Greenwald's
> partner detained, thumb drives confiscated.
>
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/08/19/snowden-documents-seized-heathrow-intimidation-says-greenwald-his-partner-detained
>
> Here is a clip about Canada's refusal to disclose laptop search
policy:
> http://boingboing.net/2010/02/09/canadian-customs-ref.html
>
> Article 60 of French custom code authorizes inspection of anything you
> carry, can be interpreted as authorizing search of laptops or cell
phones:
>
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do;jsessionid=AA678D3E2AC873493D4025F33776856A.tpdila20v_2?idSectionTA=LEGISCTA000006138841&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006071570&dateTexte=20130315
>
> Various European countries, including the UK and France, have passed
> inquisitive snooping laws. Maybe they are less visible than what
happens
> in the US, but I would not hold my breath...
>
> -- Christian Huitema
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> >
> > Definitively if that happens to me in EU, I will not provide
passwords even if I don’t have anything to hide, but just because customer’s
info confidentiality, signed NDAs, etc. I don’t think that will bring me to the
jail. However, in US, detention is a fact, right?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
> >
> >
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