Re: Revamp of the www.ietf.org website

Well, the facebook and Twitter icons seem to be embedded in the web page, not 
loaded from the social media websites, so we don’t need to worry about that at 
least.

On 17 Jul 2017, at 22:10, Ted Lemon <mellon(_at_)fugue(_dot_)com> wrote:

The links are harmless if they aren't cross-site images.   The reason people 
complain about "share" links for the various social media sites is because 
they are usually embedded images loaded from those sites, which allows those 
sites to track page views.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Yoav Nir 
<ynir(_dot_)ietf(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com 
<mailto:ynir(_dot_)ietf(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>> wrote:

On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:31, Martin Rex <mrex(_at_)sap(_dot_)com 
<mailto:mrex(_at_)sap(_dot_)com>> wrote:

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:


I think a missing aspect of the web site, which should be prominent in
both the home page and also the ?contact? page, is all the social media.

I see there is a ?share this page? at the right of the main picture,
but in my opinion, is not clearly visible and is not enough
(the logos of the social networks should be recognized without...


Cough, cough, WHAT???

Please get rid of the "social media" crap entirely.  I thought that
there was an IETF consensus that privcay is sensible and useful, and
strong privacy protections should be the default.


Facebook, Twitter and other "social media" crap is the far opposite of
strongy privacy, so none of this should be encouraged or promoted by
the IETF.



Comparing the bandwidth necessary to load the entire homepage,
I notice the following issues:

 https://www.ietf.org/ <https://www.ietf.org/>    Total 188176 bytes 
(mainly by accident, it seems)
                          The visible page _contents_ are just fine,

   but the page designer goofed the photo in the meeting information,
   because the picture is transferred at size 640x427 taking up 150270 
bytes,
   although it is actually being displayed at just 200x133, where a
   pre-scaled image would need just 17 KBytes.

   Even on my 5" Smartphone, the https://www.ietf.org/ 
<https://www.ietf.org/> loads just fine,
   I get the whole picture immediately, and can zoon into my area of 
interest.


 http://www.ietf.org/ <http://www.ietf.org/>     Total 1195800 bytes (ouch 
ouch ouch ouch).

   is a completely botched page design. it needs multi-page scrolldown
   even on a big desktop screen, and finding stuff has become extremely
   difficult.

   This page even manages to provide *ZERO* intelligible information
   when loaded on my SmartPhone

   only shows the Welcome / Revamp <Learn More>  + Social Media Crap Buttons

   and when scrolling down the multiple pages of crap on my SmartPhone,
   very close to zero of the links _that_used_to_be_ on 
https://www.ietf.org <https://www.ietf.org/>
   pass by.


   Normally I close such bloated ad & nag screens immediately, though
   nowadays uBlock saves my health by ensuring that most of such crap
   does not even get displayed on any of my screens (desktop & mobile)
   in the first place.

   The huge background picture (IETF-Past-Meetings.max-4000x4000.jpg)
   with 763216 Bytes is just crazy.  Is this about a party/festival?
   A *HUGE* waste of network bandwidth and memory (RAM and on-disk cache)
   and writing text over photos also make reading difficult (poor contrast).



All in all, my personal summary for https://beta.ietf.org/ 
<https://beta.ietf.org/>

disgusting and extremly bloated, usless and highly confusing.


I disagree about social media. I believe those links are useless but mostly 
harmless. Really, nobody is going to get interested in Internet 
standardization because some friend shared the front page, but I don’t lose 
any privacy because somebody was sent a link to a public page.

I agree about the design.

Yoav

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