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Re: Revamp of the website

2017-07-18 04:40:22
The response is not "we don't care about the people who do the work."   It
is "people who do the work have a really awesome tool to use, the
datatracker, so they don't need to address their use case."

So a better approach to this, if you feel the datatracker is not actually
addressing your needs, your efforts would be better aimed at working that
issue.   I think at the moment the side bar on datatracker has everything
that you need that was in the sidebar on

So can you say what is missing here?

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) <
chris(_dot_)dearlove(_at_)baesystems(_dot_)com> wrote:

I've been to many meetings (my first was IETF 55), though not very
recently. And you can get to meetings off the leftmost panel too in about
the same time.

The new site is focused not on the existing people active in the IETF.
It’s focused on the general public.

Let the general public have three quarters of the page. Let us have the
other quarter.

The place where work gets done these days is datatracker.

And that's one of the places one can easily get to. But there are others
too. But sorry, this is not the sort of response that's useful - don't care
about people doing the work  (I'm just trying to finish my fifteenth RFC as
an author) and what works for them. And "you don't come to meetings" as a
dismissive comment isn't helpful either. In addition there's an inherent
contradiction in your comments. If the page is intended for the general
public, who really don't come to meetings, then the value you currently see
in the right hand part of the page about meetings will also go. (And
meetings are a place for work that isn't the datatracker.)

Christopher Dearlove
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-----Original Message-----
From: Yoav Nir [mailto:ynir(_dot_)ietf(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com]
Sent: 18 July 2017 10:13
To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
Cc: Russ Housley; IETF
Subject: Re: Revamp of the website

On 18 Jul 2017, at 11:06, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) <
chris(_dot_)dearlove(_at_)baesystems(_dot_)com> wrote:

Everything I want on the existing IETF website in in a panel on the
left. I rarely even look at the rightmost three quarters of the screen.

That’s because you don’t come to meetings. Around meetings the right half
of the screen becomes useful.

That panel can be used to take me straight to where I want to go. The
new site at it appears as linked below appears to have seriously reduced
the usability of the site for people who know what they want and want to go
straight to it. Put the panel back (or maybe it's always intended to be
there, and this is just the main pane being considered) and I don't really
mind what you do there (as long as it loads quickly).

The new site is focused not on the existing people active in the IETF.
It’s focused on the general public.  The place where work gets done these
days is datatracker.


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