Hello.
I never received this sent mail back from the list so I'm resending it.
If we look at the top few lines of your mail, we see:-
Return-Path: <owner-spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com>
Delivered-To: marrandy(_at_)chaossolutions(_dot_)org
Received: (qmail 5216 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 21:25:07 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO apex.listbox.com) (207.8.214.5)
by hooters.chaossolutions.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 21:25:07 -0000
During the SMTP session. client = MTA sending, Server = MTA receiving which
in my case :
220 hooters.chaossolutions.net ESMTP
If the server does not accept the connection, the client quits.
The client then sends a HELO request, and waits for the response:
HELO apex.listbox.com
250 hooters.chaossolutions.net
If the server does not accept the request, the client quits.
The client then sends a MAIL request showing the envelope sender address, and
waits for the response:
MAIL FROM:<owner-spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com>
250 ok
If the server does not accept the request, the client quits.
The client then sends one RCPT request for each envelope recipient address,
waiting for a response after each address:
RCPT TO:<marrandy(_at_)chaossolutions(_dot_)org>
250 ok
It keeps track of which addresses are accepted. If none of the addresses are
accepted, the client quits.
The client then sends a DATA request, and waits for the response:
DATA
354 go ahead
etc. etc..
Is that clearer now.
spf is checking the :-
MAIL FROM:<owner-spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com>
by stripping the left parts away leaving listbox.com, looking it up in DNS
(with the rule you are using, a, mx, ptr or whatever, and comparing it
against the IP 207.8.214.5
If it matches, mail is being sent from a server in that domain.
Please provide corrections if necessary.
Regards...Martin
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On Friday 12 December 2003 04:29 pm, Ned Harvey wrote:
Ok, so I understood it correctly from the start then. Under SPF, the
receiver's mailserver has to know the IP address that the message came from.
But it doesn't. It only knows the last relay that hands the message over.
Email is almost never a direct operation, Wechsler. Look at your own
messages. The ones you send to this list go through 5 relays before
arriving.
Even though I'm new to this list, I think I know why your confused.
Two points above.
The terminology is ambiguous and needs to be clarified.
http://www.infinitepenguins.net/SPF/index.php
is part of the problem.
They say (third entry)
Mail Sender (from: email addy) (eg wechsler(_at_)infinitepenguins(_dot_)net)
Which makes you think they are talking about the From: in your mailer (MUA).
I suggest they change this to :-
MAIL FROM: (return path - MTA) - May or may NOT be the same as the FROM: in
your MUA
which should help to clarify things.
Second point. You must remember that each connection is a direct SMTP link.
They are separate. Each MTA add's some additional information, date/time,
server receiving the mail and IP of the remote mail etc.
If that's it's final destination,. it is done. If not it starts a new SMTP
connection to another server.
This can depend on whether :-
They have multiple mail servers that pass it along (large systems).
A mailing list.
A mail forwarder.
The point to remember, is, that the MTA (mail server) that is processing the
message, will change the return path to it's name, when it connects to the
next MTA, it will say :-
MAIL FROM: <with it's return path name> NOT your original MUA (email
address) name.
It's late and I'm tired. If it's still unclear, I will try again once i get
some weekend choirs completed.
Regards...Martin
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Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?
-- Charlie McCarthy
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