On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 06:51:17PM +0100, Frank Ellermann wrote:
Koen Martens wrote:
http://spf.sonologic.nl/ffii-pre1.pdf
Nice, that's the first case of a PDF with more than 3 colours
working on my OS/2 box with AcroReader 3.
That's OpenOffice for you :)
IMHO there were also technical discussions about Sender-ID in
MARID, with the results "broken and incompatible with SPF".
That's why spf2.0/mfrom was introduced, because PRA doesn't
work with SPF MAIL FROM policies. One of the last actions
in MARID.
Yes, I am actually going to talk about that. The slides are more a
visual aid than a complete specification of what I want to tell.
Unfortunately, it is yet unclear how much time i will have.
I should have also mentioned that the audience is mainly non-technical I
expect. More euro parlementarians and the such.
And IMHO "Sender ID" was no "merger of Caller-ID and SPF", it
was only an _attempted_ merger, and a technical failure. You
have the history of SPF twice, the second page with "more than
a full year wasted".
Yes, that's part of when i end with reading the timeline to unfold the
conclusion.
It wasn't a complete waste of time, because not all problems
of Sender-ID were immediately obvious. And the SPF draft is
now better than mengwong-spf-01 (modulo Wayne's objections).
Hmm you are right that i should put some more nuance in the wasted part.
Maybe 'largely wasted' :)
The joke about "the market will decide" is nice... ;-) On your
very last page you could mention <http://spf-help.net> as the
new SPF homepage.
I am a bit reluctant to do so. spf-help contains a lot of links to
tools, but not much actual explanation. Pobox has a lot of explanation,
but lacks the tools. We also need a new wizard. SPF needs this single
authorative site, really. I am still convinced of this.
I'm quite fed up with the core group of spf. Wayne and Markl
refusing to work together on a draft/rfc/whatever
Yes, that's excessively annoying. It's difficult to discuss a
draft when the editor vanished. "We" (tinw) need a new editor.
How and where are we going to get one??
James Couzens taking over every initiative
Offered to take over, like Wayne offered his private SPF text
for implementors only. Didn't work - except from driving away
hardcore SPF fans like Mark and you... ;-(
Well, the point is that james does not offer to take over, but just
does. Without consulting the rest of us.
I am so fed up with this, it makes me depressed.
Please come back when "we" have an active editor again, or when
the shepherd comes back from whereever he was in the past four
weeks.
Perhaps I should just quit whining and ignore james altogether and just
make the site. I'll be consulting with John a bit more. I don't want to
walk away, especially not given the pleasure james seems to get out of
me leaving (i'm not going to reprint the insults he send me privately
here). Well, i'll think about it a bit more.
In any case, thanks for the reassuring posts Frank & the rest, it really
meant a lot to me.
Koen
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