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Re: [Asrg] Position paper, in zipped HTML

2003-03-17 08:33:51
Rodney's list immediately showed why no-one will ever accept a 
global opt-out list:  within a week, domains comprising on the order 
of 60 million email address had opted out.

Actually opted out, or had someone wrote a program to do it?

Actually opted out.  SafeEPS accepted domain-wide opt-out and as
I recall, the first two entries were from aol.com and hotmail.com,
legitimately sent by network managers there.

Massachusetts has a new opt-out web interface for phone spam.  It 
verifies the phone number using your address.  Writing software to 
opt-out virtually everyone in the state would not be that hard.

That could be a problem in theory, but is it in practice?  Here in New
York there's a very successful do-not-call list with web sign up at
www.nynocall.com.  I've never heard any complaints about fake entries
on this or any other do-not-call list.

I assume that's why opting out of phone spam (the marketing opt-out 
list, not the one the feds are setting up) is free if you send them a 
letter, but costs $5 if you do it on-line.  Authentication by level 
of effort.  Although the claim is that the $5 is to cover costs.

That's the DMA's TPS list.  They charge the $5 purely to discourage
people from signing up.  Authentication has nothing to do with it; if
they get a paper letter purporting to be from you they'll put your
number (or any numbers listed in the letter) into the TPS, no
questions asked.

In any event, for reasons I outlined in a previous message opt-out
lists for phone and paper mail are a bad model for e-mail, and I don't
know anyone who's pondered the issue for very long and still thinks
that lists of addresses not to spam are workable.


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