RE: [Asrg] Spam, defined, and permissions

The spam problem was non existent 10 years ago. 

I am not proposing a charge for the average user. I'm saying
that a base service be included with the standard service and 
some parameters be biult around that for "normal" usage. Above
and beyond, I'd advocate blocks. At a certain point, the blocks
simply turn into a "contact us at 1-800..." and it's discussed and
possibly paid in advance.

Call centers pay in advance. They are technically telco-spam.

I don't think my idea is unique, although it's more informed than
10 years ago. And it _could_ be refined to work - and possibly
sold to tier 1's. If tier1's did it, it would be a domino effect.

Vision:

End of month peering reconciliation breaks out peers by protocols
including SMTP and a higher or lower bit cost is applied based on
the agreements. This enables SP's to break out the actual cost of
SMTP bits and align it in their products and build more effect
service offerings knowing the true costs.

All this "spam costs X and Y" is largely unreliable because it's
all guesswork and doesn't look at the built in bits cost.

--
Martin Hannigan                         (c) 617-388-2663
VeriSign, Inc.                          (w) 703-948-7018
Network Engineer IV                       Operations & Infrastructure
hannigan(_at_)verisign(_dot_)com



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> John Levine
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 11:27 PM
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> Cc: sethb(_at_)panix(_dot_)com
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Spam, defined, and permissions
>
>
> > > First 100 emails out or in are free, beyond that, there's a fee.
> > So you're going to charge me more for _receiving_ spam?  I 
> don't think
> > your ISP is going to succeed in the marketplace.
> > > If its too expensive to spam, they'll stop. This, IMHO, is the only
> > > way to stop them.  Follow a telco billing model and "exchange" mail
> > > minutes.
> > The spammers won't buy your measured service, either.
> Neither will anyone else.  Ten years ago there were lots of e-mail
> services that charged by the message.  Now they're all dead.  This
> is a big hint.
>
> -- 
> John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 330 5711
> johnl(_at_)iecc(_dot_)com, Mayor, http://johnlevine.com, 
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> Commercial E-mail
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