John-
Every IETF meeting results in a discussion of WG chairs asking their attendees
to read the drafts, get involved on the email, etc.
Time has not changed the fact that some folks to and some do not follow this
suggestion. Many folks attend the BOF/WG in order to get started!
However, I must agree that the four "content" meetings had far insufficinet
space, as you noted.
Michael
At 03:29 PM 12/20/2000 +0100, John Martin wrote:
Let me give you an example of where this didn't work recently. At San
Diego, we had back-to-back meetings of WREC followed by OPES BoF and CDNP
BoF. For the most part, there was a very large overlap in the attendance.
If you did not forgoe the coffee break and - literally! - run between the
rooms, you did not get a seat. If you were silly enough to engage in even
a 1 minute conversation and walk slowly, you might not have gotten into
the room at all. This is of course further exacerbated by those who do the
IETF equivalent of spreading their towels out on the loungers by the pool
before going for breakfast...
Some folks who had contributed were excluded because the doors had to be
closed in order to make the meeting audible. In one case, the door was
opened to admit someone who was on the agenda as speaking.
I don't believe that any of the solutions offered so far will work because
they depend on the good manners of strangers which, frankly, is largely
non-existent at IETF meetings.
So, my only suggestion is that WG chairs strongly encourage work to be
done on the mailing lists, a deference towards non-presentation formats
and the strong enforcement of timelines in meetings.... which is, erm,
what we're supposed to encourage anyway...
John
At 07:35 AM 20/12/00 -0800, Melinda Shore wrote:
> What happened to the proven and time-honored technique of
getting
> to a meeting early if you want a seat? I know the argument is
that
> we want to hang out in the hallways until the last minute and
still
> get a seat (because we are more "important" than a bunch of the
people
> that did get there early), but still...
I think the problem could, in part, be alleviated
by physically ejecting from the room people either
playing games on their laptops or checking their
portfolios.
Melinda
(and I'm not kidding)
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