Hi Robert,
On 9/9/09 8:54 AM, "Robert Elz" <kre(_at_)munnari(_dot_)OZ(_dot_)AU> wrote:
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:17:50 -0400
From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf(_at_)mit(_dot_)edu>
Message-ID: <tsl7hw89xk1(_dot_)fsf(_at_)mit(_dot_)edu>
| Right; I think I made it fairly clear in my reply to John Klensin that
| I disagreed fairly strongly with that and argued why I believed that
| the IETF needs a special role to attach a note to something. No
| discussion prior or since has changed my mind.
Ask yourself if you'd have the same opinion if the IETF was publishing
its output in IEEE Transactions on Networking (or any similar publication),
or even something like the NY Times.
IMHO, the RFC series (as comprised by the four document streams) is not
similar to IEEE Transactions on Networking or the NY Times. I am not sure
that there is really a close analog out there.
Would you still expect the IESG to be able to tell the editor of that
publication what they are required to do?
Then note that this is exactly the same ralationship that the RFC
editor should have with the IETF.
The better question is, if IEEE was distributing the output of the IETF in
its series of standards publications and the IETF work was in conflict with
their own standards, would it be appropriate to publish without a note from
the IEEE explaining the incongruity?
And are we really helping anyone by not clarifying the relationship between
the document and other RFCs? Shouldn't we provide this information as a
service to the reader?
Tim
In any case, if the editor is failing to perform adequately, the correct
response is to replace the editor - there is no rational consittuency here
in which to seek consensus (no matter who does the seeking) and no-one
rational to handle appeals, so I'm not in favour of John K's compromise
proposal.
Simply allow the editor the discretion to make his/her own decisions
(in this case, it will become the ISE with co-ordination from the RFC editor)
and then if they're failing (which mostly means, not getting things published,
but might also mean sub-standad publications), then replace them with
someone who can do better.
Nothing more than that is needed.
kre
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