Spencer,
I think the right way to fix this problem is to allow anyone who self declares
themselves as currently unemployed get a significantly reduced rate for a 5 day
pass (perhaps the same rate as 1 day pass). I know this could be abused by
people who are self employed consultants but given the type of people that are
self employed consultants and that choose to come to IETF, I don't think it
would be abused.
Cullen
On May 6, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
Dear IESG,
I'm conflicted on this one. I agree that three days at IETF meetings does
not a NomCom member make, but I know several people who are very
experienced, but who are self-funding, and I can easily imagine someone
doing a day pass during a trough in their business cycle.
I would be comfortable allowing someone volunteering for the NomCom
membership pool to count ONE IETF attended on a day pass - not more than
that.
Allowing a day pass as one of your "three of five" doesn't seem dangerous to
me, and if you DID attend two tutorials, the reception, the social, and a
day of IETF meetings, you certainly could have inhaled some IETF culture.
Considering how many NomCom volunteers we get, tuning the algorithm may not
affect the membership of a NomCom more than once out of twenty years, of
course, so please don't spend much time tuning the algorithm!
Thanks,
Spencer
The IESG is considering the following Statement on the Day Pass
Experiment. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks on
a policy statement, and the IESG actively solicits comments on this
action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
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RFC 3777 requires that voting members of the nominating committee
(NomCom) be selected from volunteers that have attended at least three
of the last five IETF meetings. The IAOC is conducting a day pass
experiment, making it necessary to augment the NomCom eligibility rules
to address IETF participants that make use of a day pass. An update to
RFC 3777 to will be needed to address this situation if at the end of
the experiment the IAOC decides to make day passes a regular meeting
registration alternative; however, a BCP update for an experiment is
overkill.
The IESG observes that attending a single day of the IETF meeting is not
sufficient for a new participant to learn the culture of the IETF or the
qualities that would make an effective IETF leader. Further, ongoing
exposure to the IETF standards process is necessary to appreciate the
significance and importance of cross-area review.
The eligibility requirements of volunteers for NomCom voting member
positions are provided in RFC 3777, which includes:
14. Members of the IETF community must have attended at least 3 of
the last 5 IETF meetings in order to volunteer.
In the context of the day pass experiment, this is interpreted to mean:
14. IETF participants must have attended at least 3 of the last 5
IETF meetings in order to volunteer, and that use of a day pass
does not count as IETF meeting attendance.
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