I understand that you don't like process. Who does?
The good thing is that there is very little process (or even no process) for
you. The additional effort is for those who run the experiment and maybe they
come to the conclusion that there is no risk for others.
Ciao
Hannes
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Datum: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:16:36 -0700
Von: Joel Jaeggli <joelja(_at_)bogus(_dot_)com>
An: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes(_dot_)Tschofenig(_at_)gmx(_dot_)net>
CC: "ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Betreff: Re: Comments on <draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt>
With all due respect the geopriv held experiment at ietf71 could have been
done anywhere, and had no impact on participants who were not involved in
them.
I have zero interest in building process that might impede the activity of
people conducting protocol experiments that occur effectively in
isolation.
Joel's iPad
On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:39 AM, "Hannes Tschofenig"
<Hannes(_dot_)Tschofenig(_at_)gmx(_dot_)net> wrote:
Randy,
this privacy policy effort is not a means to put someone in the
spotlight because a mistake has been made.
I think it is good that we do all sorts of experiments with the IETF
network and use it for research purposes.
Still, if someone wants to do their tests then they should do it in an
open and transparent fashion and tell people what they do. The writeup
should then contain information like
* what data is collected
* what is the purpose
* how long is it stored
* how is responsible
* how does the opt-in procedure work
It would also be nice to hear the results of the effort afterwards as
well.
Without listing other persons efforts I would like to mention the
location server experiment a few of us did from the GEOPRIV working group. I
don't recall anymore how we announced it and what we said in our announcement
(it was a few years ago already) but a document like the one written by
Alissa would have helped us. Richard Barnes might remember the details.
Ciao
Hannes
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Datum: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:28:43 +0900
Von: Randy Bush <randy(_at_)psg(_dot_)com>
An: "Hannes Tschofenig" <Hannes(_dot_)Tschofenig(_at_)gmx(_dot_)net>
CC: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Betreff: Re: Comments on <draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt>
And "yes" we have researchers looking into the traffic, people
storing
all sorts of data, etc.
we do? about our traffic on the ietf meeting network? stuff other
than
the _ephemeral_ data the noc ops use to manage the network?
Yes, the IETF meeting network.
cites, please.
Remember the discussion about the RFID experiment, the location server
experiment,
o there is no plan known by the net ops to do so in maastricht or
beijing at either of those meetings.
I don't know. There is no central place where I could lookup any of
this info.
but you suspect the worst? i am on the noc ops team. you can trust my
statement or not.
I don't suspect anything. I believe it is good if people use the network
for all sorts of tests, if they tell us what they do.
o aside from issues in the wireless deployment, the data about net
use
at ietf meeings seems pretty boring to me from a research view
Maybe boring for you.
Some consider it a very large WLAN network, some others test their
favorite tunneling technology with it, etc.
that is not gathering data on others' use of the network.
randy
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