+1 also
Monique
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From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org on behalf of Fred Baker (fred)
Sent: Thu 7/8/2010 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: IETF privacy policy - update
+1 for a privacy policy. As to the question of this particular one, I'm going
to profess some level of ignorance. I suggested starting from Google, Cisco,
and/or ISOC's privacy policies and editing from there, and someone said I
should pick a more appropriate starting point. What would be appropriate
privacy policies to compare/contrast?
Personally, apart from references to ISOC-specific things, I thought ISOC's
privacy policy was relatively simple and covered the major points. The draft is
more detailed and more complete. The differences may be a matter of taste: look
at http://www.isoc.org/help/privacy/ and ask yourself whether the provisions in
"what do we collect" and "what do we do with it" are reflected in the draft,
and I think you might agree that they are, with the draft being more explicit
in different areas. But I think that the ISOC rules, when considered in an IETF
light, are actually the same. We collect things that are standardly collected,
but we don't share them, and we do use them to make our internal processes work
better.
If there are others to compare/contrast, to see if we have missed a point or
are stating for something not usually said, I'd be interested to know.
I would agree that this statement should be made by someone in I* leadership,
either the IESG, IAOC, or perhaps IAB, and that it belongs on a web page as
opposed to being in an RFC.
I would suggest that a consensus be called for via a hum over VoIPv6. But the
web page should be in flat ASCII with no graphics other than ASCII-art.
On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
A few months ago I drew up a strawman proposal for a public-facing IETF
privacy policy (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cooper-privacy-policy-00.txt).
I've submitted an update based on feedback received:
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt
In discussing the policy with the IAOC and others, it seems clear that the
RFC model is probably not the best model for maintaining and updating a
document like this. It is more likely to fall within the scope of the IAOC
and/or the Trust. In order for the IAOC to consider taking this on and
devoting resources to figuring out what its format should be, they need to
hear from the community that a public-facing privacy policy is something
that the community wants. So I have two requests for those with any interest
in this:
1) Respond on this list if you support the idea of the IETF having a privacy
policy (a simple "+1" will do).
+1
2) If you have comments and suggestions about the policy itself, send them
to this list.
I would be very happy if the IETF adopted the privacy policy proposed in your
draft.
It seems to me the work of writing an acceptable policy is 90% done and the
arguments that creating a privacy policy will detract from other work are
pretty weak. It's a volunteer organization, people vote with their feet with
what they want to work on. Just because Alissa spend time writing a policy
document does not mean that time would be directed to other things if we did
not want to do a privacy policy document. I don't think that having a privacy
policy is going to bring a bunch of new contributors to the IETF, but I can
imagine a case where the lack of a privacy policy caused some administrative
group to do something really unfortunate which resulted in some good people
leaving the IETF.
A privacy policy is not something the IETF typically has a lot of people that
are really experienced and qualified to draft. But we are very lucky here -
we have multiple people that understand IETF culture and values, understand
internet privacy policies and laws, and are willing to write a proposal.
Unless this proposal is deeply flawed in some way I can't see, why wouldn't
we just do it.
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