Yeah - we should stop, but you're just perpetrating the mentality that
has caused alot of the debate. Unfortunately, folks have
mis-interpreted the concerns a minority of us experienced at the IETF
(since we are a minority in terms of IETF participation) as a dislike
of Maastricht or lack of appreciation for the graciousness of the
host. It has nothing to do with either. I personally found Maastricht
to be a charming city and the social was one of the best I've
attended. But, those two things IMHO have nothing to do with having an
effective business meeting that involves a diverse group of people.
The concerns raised have to do with the fact that the meeting venue
did not satisfy the most basic requirements for a meeting that is
attended by a diverse group of people (who unfortunately are in the
minority) - access to food for people that are on restricted diets for
medical reasons, personal safety and easy/convenient access to the
meeting venue (I can't fathom how someone that might be in a
wheelchair could have managed attending this meeting). The fact that
we had lots of train hops wasn't that critical (although
inconvenient), but I do have issue that the meeting was in city that
is not setup to handle international travelers that might arrive at
odd hours in the night. I totally understand why the majority don't
get why this is a concern for some of us, but to dismiss it because it
wasn't an issue you personally have to deal with is the reason this
thread has gone on and on. Clearly, the concerns (of the minority) are
not considered important to others, which is a sad reflection on an
IETF that professes to be an open organization promoting participation
from a diverse group of people.
Best Regards,
Mary.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs(_at_)shinkuro(_dot_)com>
wrote:
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 04:02:00PM -0700, Randall Gellens wrote:
I think Mary is right. (I also don't like the attitude in some replies
that if anyone had a poor experience with Maastricht it is their own
fault for being a dolt.)
FWIW, I don't like the attitude in some of the messages that if one
doesn't agree Maastricht was a poor venue, one is an insensitive clod.
It seems to me that some people found the venue less good, and some
found it acceptable. (I found it acceptable, for instance. But I
like trains. Even crowded short hop ones on a Friday afternoon when I
am very tired.)
Moreover, several of the dissatisfied seem to feel that anything less
than total agreement requires yet another frontal assault on that
disagreement. The present thread, if memory serves, got started by
someone who decided that, since his ranting on another list didn't
achieve the desired gnashing of teeth and rending of garments, he'd
try again on the IETF list.
I believe the IAOC has heard the complaints. We can stop now.
A
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