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Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

2016-05-26 04:21:43
I understand that this is a very difficult situation, but I think you have 
left something important out of your list of pros and cons.  If we cancel the 
Singapore meeting, we get to say _this_ to the Singapore government, who 
wants us to meet there enough that they have offered us $150K in incentives 
for us to come there:

“    Singapore laws against same-sex relationships between men and
  preventing the recognition of same-sex marriages could create
  difficulties for same-sex partners and their children; these have
  discouraged affected members of our community from participating
  at the IETF meeting in November of 2017 and have also influenced
  others to decline to attend in principled solidarity with them.


  Accordingly, the IETF has decided to postpone indefinitely the meeting
  in Singapore and is pursuing alternative venues.”

If, instead, we hold this milestone meeting in Singapore despite the fact 
that these issues have been raised, we are sending the message that we 
consider basic human rights violations to be no more of a disincentive to 
visiting a particular venue than visa issues, cost considerations, or other 
items that have been raised in this discussion as examples of why “no venue 
is perfect”.

If we were to go down this path, principled as it might be, is there anywhere 
we can meet physically at all?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11381744/How-the-world-violates-human-rights-country-by-country.html

I can't think of many countries that aren't violating basic human rights in 
some way or the other...

Ole

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