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Jonathan Gardner wrote:
| On Wednesday 14 July 2004 07:38 pm, Andriy G. Tereshchenko wrote:
|
|>>[John Keown]
|>>
|>>
|>>>That is why and where smtp authentication comes into play. With smtp
|>>>authentication the hijacker cannot authenticate and therefore cannot
|>>>send from example.com return address.
|>>
|>>FYI.
|>>nslookup -q=txt gmail.com
|>>gmail.com text = "v=spf1 a:mproxy.gmail.com a:rproxy.gmail.com
|>>-all"
|>>
|>>Results? SPF requires me to use gmail.com web-mail interface not only for
|>>incoming mails, but for outgoing also.
|>>No way for legit user to send mail with "From: myname(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com"
using
|>>local ISP smtp server.
|>>But this is legal forgery currently.
|>>
|>>Even more ads, even more profits for GMail.
|>>
|>>Who is happy? Me or Gmail?
|>>
|>>After a few years of SPF usage GMail will have strong reason to deny
|>>per-user DK keys.
|>>But currently we still can diligently _ask_ them to provide them.
|>>
|
|
| Gmail: If you want a gmail.com email address, you'll have to use our
| services.
|
| Andriy: I don't want to use your services.
|
| Gmail: Then you can't have a gmail.com email address.
|
| Andriy: Okay, fine, I'll use your services.
|
| Gmail: Here's your email address.
|
| Andriy: Hey, how come I have to use your services to use my email address?
|
| Gmail: ??? ... because it is our name and we say so? That was the
original
| agreement, was it not?
|
| Andriy: It's not fair!
|
| Gmail: And fair would be using our name without our permission?
|
| Andriy: I'm not happy!
|
| Gmail: I never promised to make you happy.
|
| Andriy: If I'm not happy, you shouldn't be happy!
|
| Gmail: Are you going to try and punish us for executing a contract you
made
| with us? Where is the justice and fairness in that?
|
| I'd comment on years of communist dictatorships and the effects on common
| sense, but I think the wall has been down long enough to render any of
that
| irrelevant.
|
He-he!
There is only one thing you left out...
Andriy: What you are doing is immoral and against the public good!
Gmail: By whose standards?
Andriy: By mine!
Gmail: Why do you think it's wrong?
Andriy: I "feel" that it's wrong and besides... you owe it to me... I'm
just a little guy and you're a great big huge company with lots of
resources and money.
Gmail: Oye....
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Chuck Mead
csm(_at_)moongroup(_dot_)com
Chief Tech @ http://moongroup.com - http://anirononline.com
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