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RE: [Asrg] An amazing amount of spam

2003-03-19 13:58:54
Didn't Bob Metcalfe already say that?

I'm trying not to be flippant and dismissive but I have a high hurdle
for effective solutions.

Spam is indeed a DOS if it is overwhelming and the solutions needn't
care about intent. There is a distinction in that if spam is due a
social process that rewards spammers then there is little incentive to
stop it. But reducing the reward might not, in itself, be enough.

But as long as we have a fundamental flaw in having one true name and
expecting to look at the content to guess all of the meaning and
intention and context then there is little hope because there aren't
enough omniscient demons to do all that work.

By using capabilities we shift much of this burden to the sender in
their choice of the token used to reach us and thereby allow policies
based on mutual information -- what capabilities I make available and
how and how those capabilities re used by the sender to indicate intent
(honest or not).

At least that gives us a mechanism.

In the meantime you can choose a filter service if you want, as AOL has
done. You're filter can operate on the decrypted message as it is
working on your behalf. I'm simply trying to separate out the issues and
flag solutions that have fundamental flaws as infrastructure.

-----Original Message-----
From: asrg-admin(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org [mailto:asrg-admin(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On 
Behalf Of
Chris Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 14:55
To: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [Asrg] An amazing amount of spam

Alan DeKok wrote:
asrg(_at_)bobf(_dot_)frankston(_dot_)com wrote:

You can host your own filter on the far end of your slow line.

  Great!  What's your IP?  I'd like to point my MX at you. If your
filters work, it should be easy for you to filter out the spam, and
forward the real email to me.

Alan's MX is a weapon of mass destruction.

It proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that tweaks to mail reader 
metaphors and user-end filtering (or even most ISP filtering) will not 
be able to keep up. Even AOL wouldn't survive the spam:good ratio that 
Alan see.  There simply ain't enough pipes on the whole planet to do
that.

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