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RE: [Asrg] More clueless spam bounces

2003-03-29 14:55:44
No.  He called the blacklist of his IP address clueless.  

Actually I called the architecture which causes mail to be
bounced even though the recipient had just sent an email
TO the same address to be clueless. 

And in point of fact, Troy initiated the insults with his
deliberately insulting bounce message. A response to someone
that you have just sent mail to is NOT spam, if you send
a message to someone you implicitly solicit a reply, end
of argument.

If Alice sends an email to Bob, Alice should be able to 
recieve the reply without any further intervention. THAT
is the part of the architecture that is 'clueless'. The 
reason for the blacklisting is irrelevant, Troy has sent
five emails to my _personal_ email inbox but does not feel 
inclined to accept mail from me. I doubt that most people
whose email is blacklisted would have the same attitude
and if their ISP unilatterally introduced a blocking system
of that sort would consider it unacceptable.

It is not that difficult to fix, but it does require a 
more sophisticated conection between the email client
and the email server than we have today. In particular
the email client needs to be able to direct the filtering
of mail as it is downloaded, or the server needs to tag the
email in a standardized form the client can act on.

Exchange has some of these mail handling semantics, but
they are a holdover from the X.400 core of Exchange 5.5.
They are not Internet standards (yet).

I don't see any reason not to fix problems like this 
when it is easy and simple to do so.

                Phill
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