Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, was Adding a spam button to MUAs
2010-02-07 02:22:16
Michael Thomas wrote:
John Levine wrote:
SRV has been around for 15 years, and it's intended for telling you
where a domain provides a particular service, which is what we're
doing here. Is there DNS software we care about that can support TXT
with a funny name but not SRV?
I think that the dkim/spf experience is that anything beyond A and CNAME causes
some dns providers out there to fail. Text does have the advantage that more providers
are supporting it because of dkim/spf. I don't think that srv has the same penetration
and/or use.... which is a pity because srv records are actually pretty nice in
theory.
Using SRV records would be consistent with similar email
auto-configuration records defined in
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-srv-email
It may be worth to note that such automatic configuration
specification is arriving after years of manual configuration
experience. Yet, it does not provide for automatically enabling the
A-R field defined by RFC 5451 which, for security reasons, requires
its field to be ignored "unless specifically enabled by the user or
administrator after verifying that the border MTA is compliant".
Possibly, such MTA compliance will eventually be flagged using DNS
RRs as well, but A-R is not yet a widely deployed field.
Seeking auto-configuration for TiS buttons apparently clashes with
the experience summarized above. Alex has described how flexible
reporting flow could work, in a recent message. His description
resembles the way spam complaints have been produced for many years.
However, the reason why we want TiS buttons is that the volume of
spam is so high that we cannot keep its pace unless we automate
reporting. Even then, why do we want the mechanism for automatic
reporting to also be automatically configurable?
The possible reasons that I can think of are as follows:
* users cannot determine whether their mailbox providers support
spam reporting,
* MUAs cannot determine which is the last report-supporting MTA, if
any, that received a given inbound message,
* most users already gave up reporting spam and won't resume unless
presented with a fully automated tool, won't even go to the
trouble of configuring it, or
* the reporting address isn't really fixed, and may vary without
advice, independently of any other mailbox parameter.
Are there more? And which ones are more relevant?
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