Right, that's seemingly covered by the text that Andrew elided:
Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for
publication as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC and
any statement made within the context of an IETF activity is
considered an "IETF Contribution".
Side (snide?) comments made between two guys in the back of a WG
session, informal hallway or evening conversations after the session
between two participants not serving in any kind of official capacity
(AD, WG chair, WG secretary, document editor, etc.), and so on, are not
Contributions. It seems quite a stretch to construe as a Contribution
anything said during the week of an IETF meeting by anyone who happens
to be attending.
On 8/11/10 12:40 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
Andrew -
Interesting take but one that probably isn't supported by the black
letter reading of the Note Well.
In general, the Note Well describes the class of things that might be
contributions, but for them to become actionable contributions, they
need to make it into the IETF record. I assume anything I say at the
microphone in a WG meeting can and will make it to the record - I
further assume that anything I happen to say to someone sitting next
to me in that WG won't unless and until one of us gets up and goes to
the mike.
Or as Tom Clancy pointed out - "If you don't write it down, it didn't
happen".
Or to stretch the analogy further - if I send an email to you and CC
the ietf or namedroppers list, that's a contribution. If I send you
a private email about say PKIX to you as a non-WG chair, that's not a
contribution. If I send you a private email about something related
to DNSEXT to you as the WG chair, it MAY become a contribution if
added to the record and you as WG chair may choose to add it to the
record in some form.
So, no, private conversations even on WG topics, even at the IETF
meeting venue not in the context of a WG or plenary or other official
communications are not contributions unless and until added to the
record.
Mike
At 01:46 PM 8/11/2010, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:30:35AM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Contribution". Such statements include oral statements in IETF
sessions, as well as written and electronic communications made
at any time or place, which are addressed to:
* Any IETF working group or portion thereof
IETF WGs are made up of their participants. Participants are so
defined by their participation in some WG activity such as a
meeting, or reading the mailing list, or something like that. So,
if you come to an IETF meeting and make some side comment about
anything that went on in a WG meeting to someone else who was
somehow participating in that WG (say by reading the list or going
to the same meeting), then your comment is a contribution under my
reading. ("Portion thereof" just means "at least one participant",
as far as I can tell. It isn't otherwise defined that I can see.)
So it's perhaps not quite true that anything that anyone says in a
hallway discussion is a contribution; but something like that must
be pretty close. The definition of "contribution" is extremely
broad, I think.
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