Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

 Indeed, K St. think tanks were heavily involved in the Kennedy 
assassination, Watergate, and 9/11. Like IPv6, it's all about the address.
RB

On 9/14/2010 6:25 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> If you have such a poor opinion of engineers, then why post here?
>
> In my experience, K-street think tanks provide negative value. Almost 
> without exception they refuse to disclose their sources of funding 
> while peddling talking points written for them by the people who fund 
> them.
>
> In this forum you are purporting to be a disinterested private 
> individual while being a paid staff member of a business that is paid 
> to be an advocate for a specific point of view on the subject you are 
> posting on.
> Most people would consider that this would be an interest that 
> required disclosure.
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Richard Bennett <richard(_at_)bennett(_dot_)com 
> <mailto:richard(_at_)bennett(_dot_)com>> wrote:
>      I wonder how many people realize that X.25 was a direct
>     descendant of ARPANET, and that BB&N became a leading supplier of
>     X.25 hardware simply by continuing the IMP down its evolutionary path.
>
>     The dialog on Internet regulation is world-wide. The EC has an
>     open inquiry on it, and nations around the world are grappling
>     with Internet policy as they contemplate the best means of
>     stimulating the deployment of more capable infrastructure that
>     will ultimately replace twisted pair with coax and fiber and
>     replace 2G and 3G mobile with LTE. Providing wholesale access to
>     the legacy twisted pair cable plant doesn't cause fiber to
>     magically spring up out of the Earth and connect homes together in
>     a seamless mesh.
>
>     Engineers have no more intrinsic insight into network policy than
>     economists have regarding network protocols; law professors are
>     generally lame on both fronts. The most interesting policy work
>     regarding the Internet these days comes from multi-disciplinary
>     teams working in academe and in the think tanks.
>
>     RB
>
>
>     On 9/14/2010 2:57 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>         On 2010-09-15 04:36, Bob Braden wrote:
>
>
>             On 9/14/2010 8:11 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>                 * Noel Chiappa:
>
>                     I actually vaguely recall discussions about the
>                     TOS field (including
>                     how many bits to give to each sub-field), but I
>                     can't recall very
>                     much of the content of the discussions. If anyone
>                     cares, some of the
>                     IENs which document the early meetings might say more.
>
>                 See RFC 760, which seems remarkably up-to-date:
>
>                      A few networks offer a Stream service, whereby
>                 one can achieve a
>                      smoother service at some cost.
>
>             That might have been only a sideways acknowledgment of ST-II.
>
>         Not to mention that at the time, the great competitor for all this
>         new-fangled connectionless datagram stuff was X.25, a
>         pay-per-connection
>         and pay-per-byte stream service.
>
>         As PHB says, intentions back then hardly matter anyway.
>
>         Maybe we can leave this debate to some USA local discussion list
>         where it belongs? Those of us in the economies where there is
>         competition on the local loop are not that interested.
>
>            Brian
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