Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?

On 6/21/2011 11:30 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
...

> > Actually, it seems that the conference rates at IETF hotels are quite
> > predictable: a couple of months ago it was possible to book a room at
> > the QC Hilton for $176 CAD/night _during the IETF meeting_; if you check
> > the Hilton Web site right now, you will find that equivalent rooms at
> > the Hilton the week before the IETF run about $100 less than during the
> > meeting.  It's possible that IETF week marks the transition to high
> > season rates, but in that case why not move the meeting by a week?  This
> > is not an isolated case: in Beijing, rooms at the Shangri-La were
> > significantly cheaper both the week before and the week after the IETF;
> > in Hiroshima, I got a room at the conference hotel the week of the
> > meeting for ~$50/night less than the conference rate by eschewing "free"
> > breakfast.  Admittedly the breakfast in Hiroshima was both tasty and
> > plentiful, but $50?  Not even in Japan.  It seems apparent that the IAOC
> > "negotiators" are wearing signs around their necks during the hotel
> > negotiations; the only question is what is written on the signs.  Is it
> > "I am a moron" or the simple but effective "F*&k Me"
>
> It has been repeated ad-nausieum that "conference rates" subsidize the rental 
> of the meeting room block... 
So you believe that that is a good way to negotiate?  That could explain
a lot by itself...

The fact that the conference rates are more expensive ( on a contract
signed 24 months out) than a spot check of the room rate at any given
time should come as no surprise to anyone.

Really?  So I should expect to pay less as an individual renting a room
than as a member of a group renting 200?  In what universe does that
make sense?

> You can cruise the IETF finances if for some reason you don't believe this. 
> If the room block doesn't get filled you can expect your fees to go up 
> accordingly over time.

IEEE 802 had that problem; the last time I checked, their "solution" was
to raise the meeting fee ($1000 at the recent meeting in Singapore, for
example, without early-bird discounts) and discount it if one could
prove that they spent at least 1 night in the conference hotel.  Of
course, their excuse was a corrupt meeting arranger who locked them into
exorbitant prices years in advance....

> I will observe that I have generally  not paid the conference rate or stayed 
> in the meeting hotel while attending the IETF on my own dime (and have stayed 
> in some rather nicer hotels (paris, stockholm, etc) for less money as a 
> result. When I attend on behalf my employer I make it clear what we paying 
> for when participating.
>
> please look at the balance sheet here:
>
> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Meeting-Financials-2010-77.pdf
>
> and note both the hotel commission, a credit, and the zero charge associated 
> with meeting rooms.
>
> It's not clear to me that this can be made more transparent, but if you'd 
> like to try I'm sure that someone would be happy to nominate you for an open 
> iaoc position when available.
Thanks for the non-answer.  My comment had nothing to do with
"transparency", however, and everything to do with competence...I do
wonder what the difference is to us if we pay for the meeting rooms
directly (through meeting fees) or indirectly (through increased room
rates)?

> joel

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