+1
And aware this might mean a sizeable hike in meeting fees.
The *only* wrinkle I can see is that it might be considered useful for a hotel
to block out a number of rooms for booking exclusively by IETF participants, and
the hotel might want to increase the price for that service (because it is a
risk for them that they will not sell all the rooms). The counterpart to this is
that we might have to take whatever rooms are available in nearby hotels if the
"IETF" hotel sells out.
But we have to go down this path anyway. An increasing number of IETF
participants are booking their rooms independently, either in the IETF hotels or
in nearby hotels. The result of this would appear to be the distribution of the
meeting room costs across a smaller number of guest rooms leading to still
higher guest room prices. Loop until done.
Adrian
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From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Lou
Berger
Sent: 21 June 2011 12:48
To: Thomas Heide Clausen; Joel Jaeggli
Cc: Henk Uijterwaal; Ole Jacobsen; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; Keith Moore
Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?
I agree with Thomas, the meeting fees should cover the meetings and the
hotel bill should cover only an individual's room. This would be more
transparent!
Please feel free to take this as criticism (of the current fee
distribution policy).
Lou
On 6/21/2011 1:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
On Jun 21, 2011, at 06:30 , Joel Jaeggli wrote:
It has been repeated ad-nausieum that "conference rates" subsidize
the rental of the meeting room block... The fact that the
conference rates are more expensive ( on a contract signed 24
months out) than a spot check of the room rate at any given time
should come as no surprise to anyone. You can cruise the IETF
finances if for some reason you don't believe this. If the room
block doesn't get filled you can expect your fees to go up
accordingly over time. I will observe that I have generally not
paid the conference rate or stayed in the meeting hotel while
attending the IETF on my own dime (and have stayed in some rather
nicer hotels (paris, stockholm, etc) for less money as a result.
When I attend on behalf my employer I make it clear what we paying
for when participating.
Just one additional data-point here.
For some of us, getting reimbursed for a higher meeting fee is
actually a lot easier than getting reimbursed for a higher hotel-fee.
Such would be the case when, for example, traveling on a fixed
per-diem intended for covering accommodation/food, but reimbursed on
cost for the meeting fee.
For me, not an eyelid would be bat if I presented a quadruple (or
more) meeting-fee-bill -- whereas it is a recurring administrative
hassle to actually get a hotel-bill exceeding the per-diem to pass
accounting (and, actually quite a lottery each time if it will be
reimbursed....)
Not wanting to criticize, but I would encourage that such situations
also be considered when making plans for the IETF meeting payment
structure.
Sincerely yours
Thomas
ps: Other than that, I am actually excited to go to Quebec City which
- for those who've never been there - is a very very pleasant place
to be. Also, when there, my French colleagues tend to mock me a whole
lot less for my accent ;)
please look at the balance sheet here:
http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Meeting-Financials-2010-77.pdf
and note both the hotel commission, a credit, and the zero charge
associated with meeting rooms.
It's not clear to me that this can be made more transparent, but if
you'd like to try I'm sure that someone would be happy to nominate
you for an open iaoc position when available.
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